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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
That last time was just Moore, Howard was hurt
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UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
I think Abbott is in the same class as Gus right now. The thing you have to remember about Nyquist is he had jaw dropping, flashy moves which often gained him seperation but didn't always translate to pucks in the net. I actually think he was a better set-up guy than finisher. During his breakout series against UNH last year, I kept comparing him to Paul Thompson. He had more god given talent than Thompson, but Thompson knew how to simplify his game and find the back of the net, and Thompson had a better year than Nyquist, he just didn't always do things with panache like Gus. I would say his soph year, Gus was the best player since Paul Kariya, but last year he took a slight step backwards, especially the first half.
I think Abbott is in the same class as Gus right now. The thing you have to remember about Nyquist is he had jaw dropping, flashy moves which often gained him seperation but didn't always translate to pucks in the net. I actually think he was a better set-up guy than finisher. During his breakout series against UNH last year, I kept comparing him to Paul Thompson. He had more god given talent than Thompson, but Thompson knew how to simplify his game and find the back of the net, and Thompson had a better year than Nyquist, he just didn't always do things with panache like Gus. I would say his soph year, Gus was the best player since Paul Kariya, but last year he took a slight step backwards, especially the first half.
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
I would say sully last year when he broke the shutout record? or the year before Wilson going into the playoffs, even thou he blew it in the finals.
I would say sully last year when he broke the shutout record? or the year before Wilson going into the playoffs, even thou he blew it in the finals.
tylerzx2002
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Wasn't it pretty well-known that Gustav wasn't playing at 100% early in the year last season?
Abbott is having a great season, but Nyquist was the type of generational talent that isn't common at Maine anymore. Abbott has steadily improved and stepped up to play the bigger minutes (although some of those blue-line turnovers make me go:
) but his defensive game isn't nearly at the same level Nyquist's was. Gustav had the vision to interrupt the opposition, while Abbott isn't quite there.
Abbott does do a better job of getting the puck on (and sometimes in) the net than Nyquist did, but his game elsewhere is somewhat flawed.
Wasn't it pretty well-known that Gustav wasn't playing at 100% early in the year last season?
Abbott is having a great season, but Nyquist was the type of generational talent that isn't common at Maine anymore. Abbott has steadily improved and stepped up to play the bigger minutes (although some of those blue-line turnovers make me go:
) but his defensive game isn't nearly at the same level Nyquist's was. Gustav had the vision to interrupt the opposition, while Abbott isn't quite there. Abbott does do a better job of getting the puck on (and sometimes in) the net than Nyquist did, but his game elsewhere is somewhat flawed.
Fishman'81
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
True, but you can always fine-tune the tip-ups and do a little QA on this year's schnappes while you wait for safe ice.
The only ice around here is in Alfond, 50 degrees doesn't make for drilling holes
True, but you can always fine-tune the tip-ups and do a little QA on this year's schnappes while you wait for safe ice.
Fishman'81
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
I really admired Levs for several reasons, but I think Abbott has been the much better player for Maine, especially when you consider their respective supporting-casts. Spence is much closer to Gus in talent than Levs is/was to Spence, IMO.
'93-'99, excellent post. Hit the nail.
It was great to watch Gus skate- he was an artist for sure -but Abbott has an economy of effort and a focus on the objective that you just don't see very often. Patience is a rare virtue, and he has it.
We're really gonna miss him when he's gone. Even if Maine talks Tim Thomas into taking a few grad classes in Orono, we're looking at a lot of 1-0, 2-1 losses next year. Not gonna be much fun to watch.
I really admired Levs for several reasons, but I think Abbott has been the much better player for Maine, especially when you consider their respective supporting-casts. Spence is much closer to Gus in talent than Levs is/was to Spence, IMO.
'93-'99, excellent post. Hit the nail.
It was great to watch Gus skate- he was an artist for sure -but Abbott has an economy of effort and a focus on the objective that you just don't see very often. Patience is a rare virtue, and he has it.
We're really gonna miss him when he's gone. Even if Maine talks Tim Thomas into taking a few grad classes in Orono, we're looking at a lot of 1-0, 2-1 losses next year. Not gonna be much fun to watch.
walrus
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
No doubt about playing injured early last year and as far as D goes its not even close, Gus knew where the other side of the ice was, Abbott, not so much. Abbotts play has been stellar in the O zone, really since he was a freshman but I think a comparison to Gus is far fetched
No doubt about playing injured early last year and as far as D goes its not even close, Gus knew where the other side of the ice was, Abbott, not so much. Abbotts play has been stellar in the O zone, really since he was a freshman but I think a comparison to Gus is far fetched
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Abott national player of the week for INCH:
http://insidecollegehockey.com/inch/2011/12/06/firstshift_1010/
Abott national player of the week for INCH:
http://insidecollegehockey.com/inch/2011/12/06/firstshift_1010/
tylerzx2002
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Agreed, although I think Lomberg will be one of the freshmen capable of making an instant impact, even without a lot of offensive help around him.
Morris and Sully will have their work cut out for them next season without a top-flight defensive recruit on the horizon.
I think Hutton and Renouf are the only two D-men coming in next year.
Agreed, although I think Lomberg will be one of the freshmen capable of making an instant impact, even without a lot of offensive help around him.
Morris and Sully will have their work cut out for them next season without a top-flight defensive recruit on the horizon.
I think Hutton and Renouf are the only two D-men coming in next year.
BearNecessity
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Next year's D should look like this Cornell, Nemec, O'Connor, Pryor, Rutt.....with Norman a darkhorse.
Solid defensively, offense still TBD adding some size on D will help, and looks like the incoming may have some offense intheir game, but Pryor, O'Connor and to a lesser extent Cornell and Nemec could add if given right role ...lose Heggerty and O'neil but Wil doesn't exactly strike you as a defensive horse...so loss is not as great in our zone...
Next year's D should look like this Cornell, Nemec, O'Connor, Pryor, Rutt.....with Norman a darkhorse.
Solid defensively, offense still TBD adding some size on D will help, and looks like the incoming may have some offense intheir game, but Pryor, O'Connor and to a lesser extent Cornell and Nemec could add if given right role ...lose Heggerty and O'neil but Wil doesn't exactly strike you as a defensive horse...so loss is not as great in our zone...
Ma#1ne Hky
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Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Bring in a NEW Coach and a certain Volunteer Coach (you know the one that makes goalies better)....go to a more gritty type of hockey...be in shape before camp...and go from there...I could live with that come next season. It's called rebuilding/re-inventing back to Maine Hockey...and it starts with Hard work and a Coach with Passion for the Program/Team/Fans and the area.
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
you Abbott lovers have got to be kidding me! Nyquist was wearing 3 defenders at all times.
50% of Abbott's scoring has come against Vermont... He is NOT going to get to play UVM very often.
as for being CLOSE to Leveille in the vision department, complete-hockey player department, and intangibles... I still don't see it.
I still remember a give and go that Levs ran in a playoff game at the garden... standing still at the offensive blue line, perfect pass, took the hit, took the D out of the play and the player who handed him the puck, got it back and scored was a blur and i still have no idea who it was.. because Levs made the play... perfect timing and a tape to tape pass.
Abbott... no such passes, yet... Abbott benefits from Flynn's ability to shoot hard off a bad pass way out in front of him. (watch how many times Flynn has to kneel down to get a shot off, because the pass was way out in front.).
alright, I will stop... a 9 point weekend is fantastic, but ya don't get to play against D men who are as mobile on the ice as walrus every weekend.
Wasn't it pretty well-known that Gustav wasn't playing at 100% early in the year last season?
Abbott is having a great season, but Nyquist was the type of generational talent that isn't common at Maine anymore. Abbott has steadily improved and stepped up to play the bigger minutes (although some of those blue-line turnovers make me go:
Abbott does do a better job of getting the puck on (and sometimes in) the net than Nyquist did, but his game elsewhere is somewhat flawed.
you Abbott lovers have got to be kidding me! Nyquist was wearing 3 defenders at all times.
50% of Abbott's scoring has come against Vermont... He is NOT going to get to play UVM very often.
as for being CLOSE to Leveille in the vision department, complete-hockey player department, and intangibles... I still don't see it.
I still remember a give and go that Levs ran in a playoff game at the garden... standing still at the offensive blue line, perfect pass, took the hit, took the D out of the play and the player who handed him the puck, got it back and scored was a blur and i still have no idea who it was.. because Levs made the play... perfect timing and a tape to tape pass.
Abbott... no such passes, yet... Abbott benefits from Flynn's ability to shoot hard off a bad pass way out in front of him. (watch how many times Flynn has to kneel down to get a shot off, because the pass was way out in front.).
alright, I will stop... a 9 point weekend is fantastic, but ya don't get to play against D men who are as mobile on the ice as walrus every weekend.
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
gonna? do you see their stats against good teams?
gonna? do you see their stats against good teams?
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
LOL are you crazy, you have been the biggest Abbott hater forever lol kills me lol. As for no such passes, you talk as if hes never made a good pass lol, how many gifts did he give Shimansky from the point last year?? Guess 23 were lucky with other line mates then Flynn shooting 1t's off their knee lol........have some more haterade,
LOL are you crazy, you have been the biggest Abbott hater forever lol kills me lol. As for no such passes, you talk as if hes never made a good pass lol, how many gifts did he give Shimansky from the point last year?? Guess 23 were lucky with other line mates then Flynn shooting 1t's off their knee lol........have some more haterade,
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Those who dont appreciate Abbotts skills dont know hockey. To even try to compare Abbott and Nyquist is like comparing a banana to an apple. Cant be done. Two completely different players in the way they approach the game.
Those who dont appreciate Abbotts skills dont know hockey. To even try to compare Abbott and Nyquist is like comparing a banana to an apple. Cant be done. Two completely different players in the way they approach the game.
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Does anyone know if Nemec is coming back next year? Eric Turgeon was in the exact same situation like 10 years ago and he didn't come back.
Does anyone know if Nemec is coming back next year? Eric Turgeon was in the exact same situation like 10 years ago and he didn't come back.
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
same situation, meaning employable as a professional engineer?
last I knew, eric was doing very well at BIW
same situation, meaning employable as a professional engineer?
last I knew, eric was doing very well at BIW
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
interestingly ONLY Shemansky can tip in all of those wide set ups.... but you are correct, Abbott was a master of getting the puck to Shemansky in order to get a tip in.
now, show me 3 great passes in a game.
He is good.... and he is the best of the current crop, but he is nowhere near as good as what Maine's best player should be... sorry. And I do not hate him at all. How did he do against BC earlier this season? as I remember, he ws not even one of the 2 players who showed up for that game.
interestingly ONLY Shemansky can tip in all of those wide set ups.... but you are correct, Abbott was a master of getting the puck to Shemansky in order to get a tip in.
now, show me 3 great passes in a game.
He is good.... and he is the best of the current crop, but he is nowhere near as good as what Maine's best player should be... sorry. And I do not hate him at all. How did he do against BC earlier this season? as I remember, he ws not even one of the 2 players who showed up for that game.
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
All great offensive players can be compared, at least in one simple way, - their ability to find the back of the net. I'm not talking about defensive abilities or flash. Bottom line is that Flynne and Abbott have shown scoring capabilities equal to or greater than Nyquist in the past couple of years. Don't get me wrong, I miss Nyquist, watching him play, his vision, even his defense.......but its hard not to get mesmerized by incredible skating, stickhandling and passing in tight spaces which was Gus's forte. OK - I'll give you a comparison. Remember Sergey Samsonoff of the Bruins? He could really dazzle with the skating and stickhandling but in the end, he was never a great NHL'r because he couldn't simplify and economise.
All great offensive players can be compared, at least in one simple way, - their ability to find the back of the net. I'm not talking about defensive abilities or flash. Bottom line is that Flynne and Abbott have shown scoring capabilities equal to or greater than Nyquist in the past couple of years. Don't get me wrong, I miss Nyquist, watching him play, his vision, even his defense.......but its hard not to get mesmerized by incredible skating, stickhandling and passing in tight spaces which was Gus's forte. OK - I'll give you a comparison. Remember Sergey Samsonoff of the Bruins? He could really dazzle with the skating and stickhandling but in the end, he was never a great NHL'r because he couldn't simplify and economise.
Re: UMaine, 2011-2012 season thread, does anyone care anymore?
Besides the fact that the good teams can key on Abbott... what is it you were saying?
(oh, and I gotta ask... he has scored 10 goals... thats' danm good, but he is also personally responsible for 6 or 7 shorties... making him +3 in the goals department (in my hatorade system)... care to explain where I am missing something?
so... let me ask if the statisticians don't know hockey... in games against teams below .500, abbott has scored 3, 1, 3, 2, 1, 1, 5 and 4 points or 20 points in 8 games. In games against teams over .500, he has scored 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, and 2 points... or 3 points in 6 games.
Besides the fact that the good teams can key on Abbott... what is it you were saying?
(oh, and I gotta ask... he has scored 10 goals... thats' danm good, but he is also personally responsible for 6 or 7 shorties... making him +3 in the goals department (in my hatorade system)... care to explain where I am missing something?
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