moose97
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Probably because, despite seating 2000, the U of I campus rink is a goofy 115' wide
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U of Illinois AD & NHL joint press conference
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Probably because, despite seating 2000, the U of I campus rink is a goofy 115' wide
This whole thing felt so off from the get go. It's like they thought because they had this big feasibility study and NHL "partnership" or whatever, some magic donor was going to float down to earth and give them however many millions they'd need for an arena, probably $60-90 million based on what other arenas have cost in college hockey. It's seems as tho they expected the fairy godmother to just deliver Terry Pegula on a silver platter
moose97
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Except that the proposed rink was a public/private development off campus by the city, not the school.
https://champaignil.gov/planning/eco...ent/the-yards/
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I'm not getting bogged down by the same old financial details we love to talk about on here. I'll leave that to others. This is disappointing though. I say that because from what I have read, their fans want it. And Illinois ranks pretty high in terms of producing NCAA players. Top 5 state? It was a logical location for a hockey program. Has Northwestern ever shown any interest?
Split-N
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But if I read that document correctly, the arena itself was primarily a university project. It's even referred to as the "University of Illinois Sports Arena." The project was structured as a private-public partnership that involved the university, a developer, and the city. Per the document, "...the City contributions to the project would consist of revenues generated by the project through a combination of Tax Increment Finance funds and hotel tax revenue. The [city] investment in the project would primarily consist of the construction of two publicly owned parking structures and contributions to the new Conference Center."
Unless I'm grossly misinterpreting something, this debacle is squarely on the University of Illinois, which is neither a small nor a "poor" school. If Illinois really wanted D1 hockey, it would have found a way to make it happen without a Terry Pegula clone, just as Arizona State did, not to mention much smaller schools with far fewer resources, like Long Island, Augustana, and Lindenwood.
Oh well, the five-year soap opera was entertaining in its own way.
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AMC
Registered User
I think you really misunderstand those of us who keep saying how expensive it is to start hockey programs.
I think we all want college hockey to grow and thrive. The disagreement is whether adding underfunded programs with no reasonable facilities and a lack of scholarships qualifies as "growing and thriving." College hockey could add a million LIUs, and expand the bottom, but is that making college hockey better? When a school starts a new program, I want that program to have the intent to compete. We have enough schools playing in off campus rinks, or tiny 200 seaters, drawing flies. If a kid wants to pay their way to pay college hockey, there are plenty of opportunities at the bottom end of D-I or D-III. I want schools like Illinois to come in and build a fancy new arena, and invest in a top class program, and keep more kids playing NCAA as opposed to Major Junior.
Maybe Augustana and Lindenwood will be more like that than LIU. I don't know. I hope they put real programs together. We have enough schools teetering on the edge of extinction. We need more schools that are going to put together a jewel of a program.
JohnsonsJerseys
Michigan Tech Fan
One of the biggest problems with Illinois, and the Big in general, is that those schools don't care about hockey. Outside of Minnesota, a state where they can pack an NHL arena in the middle of a weekday afternoon to watch HIGH SCHOOL hockey, name one Big program where hockey has even a sniff at being the most important sports program on campus... I'll wait. Nobody in the Big cared about hockey until PSU came along and triggered the mandatory Big conference creation. The Big is a football first, basketball second, everything else a distant third conference. If the Big is going to expand hockey, there is a far better chance it grows on a campus where the previously mentioned sports can't compete (Rutgers, John Hopkins, etc). It is far tougher to start it on a campus like Illinois where money to start hockey is seen as taking it away from the programs that "matter" to fans and alumni.
If you think Illinois doesn't have money to start a hockey program at any time they want, you're kidding yourself. However when you talk about taking $50-$100M to start a hockey team vs putting that money into football/basketball... that is where hockey will lose every time at a Big school.
If you think Illinois doesn't have money to start a hockey program at any time they want, you're kidding yourself. However when you talk about taking $50-$100M to start a hockey team vs putting that money into football/basketball... that is where hockey will lose every time at a Big school.
Split-N
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BINGO!!! The football god must be fed! And don't underestimate entrenched hoops programs not being crazy about sharing the in-season spotlight, not to mention competing for revenue, with D1 hockey.
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ExileOnDaytonStreet
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I also hadn’t realized that that might be the only rink in Urbana. I thought for sure there was a decent community rink or something (if they wanted to go “Full ASU” for a few years.
The fact they drug this out very publicly for 5 years, and decided they can't do it due to funding is why people are laughing. If they wanted hockey, they would have it. Guys they just wanted some time in the spotlight, because every time the story started to fade, they'd make another announcement of some sort.
moose97
New member
The part you are missing is that the "private" portion isn't the University. Furthermore, if you read the actual report College Hockey, Inc did for Illinois, while it mentions every rink in the B1G is university-owned, there is no mention of rink building costs in the proposed budget.
Yup. Something that Lindenwood, Long Island, Augustana, and St. Thomas don't necessarily have to deal with.
Eddie Schorr
Member
There seems be a lot of buzz that NIL is sucking up a lot of donations that previously would have been used at the discretion of the AD. Now donors big and small are donating to these non-profit NIL funds (essentially slush funds for football and M Bball) that hang out the lure of private meet and greets with the players for donating members. If this is true, I think you'll see it in the financial reports of the schools in the next couple of years.
OTOH, the new B1G media deal is estimated to pay out 71M per school. I think Illinois could have done it had they really been committed to doing so.
OTOH, the new B1G media deal is estimated to pay out 71M per school. I think Illinois could have done it had they really been committed to doing so.
Split-N
All Hail
This is just one of several B1G revenue spigots. If the Illinois powers that be couldn't find the funding, they apparently didn't look very hard.
Eddie Schorr
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And I think the basketball angle is probably the most logical. Illinois has been good at basketball far more than at football, and I think there was probably some push back from the program not wanting to compete against an in-season shiny new thing on campus. With the pedsters, it was irrelevant as their basketball program has been a bottom feeder for decades and couldn't have stopped a hockey program even if Pegula hadn't dropped from the heavens.
Basketball issues aside, Illinois could have retrofitted the rink at the Illinois Ice Arena, to make it smaller, as was done in Lake Placid. Illini could have just played there, like Arizona State did at Oceanside for several years, while waiting on a new arena.
