U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

[Hockeyman99]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

There are no simple answers for this. o'Neil is a talented player, who coaches seeing incapable of mistakes.d
dim men was the defensive stalwart on thar pair, Mangene has been told to jump in, soOnsie is now the Defensive guy, and is I'll suited to the role. Get a better d pairing move Mangene back up front, or a new pairing and you would get the better return, still like the Beattie, Mangene, Anthoine idea, and this would get O'Connor and Cornell back in, and build confidence, instead oh having them yo yo in and out . put Hegs with either of these guys and you will see a different , same with O'neil. Marty better last night

It seems Mangene is best when working along the boards down low in the o zone. Doesn't make much sense to take one of your better forwards and the best one along the boards and put him out back on D. Especially when your team is struggling to score goals and is a one line team. Contrast that to UNH that is PLAYING its young D to develop them, they will be better as the season progresses. Be smart to give Rutt a chance to develop, not sure why he hasn't played because he certainly has the talent.

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

I think your last line goes for most teams in college hockey, unfortunately. For as dominant as this year's BC team has been they have nowhere near the talent they had 10 or 12 years ago, especially on defense. College hockey has changed a lot and I think/hope that Maine is back on the right track going forward but who knows. I think that the things that frustrate a lot of the people on here are more systemic than just Tim's doing. Maine has been hit much harder by more kids going to MJ than other programs simply because Maine's big attraction was that it was a great place to work on your game and develop. Those are the kinds of kids who are going to Canada more so than the kids who are more focused on education. Unless they want to be engineers the good students are always going to pick BC, BU, or one of ivies over us. Hopefully I'm horribly wrong and we get a new coach (Montgomery) who completely turns things around but I think even then our success would be a lot different than it was in the past.

Maine has somewhat been a victim of their own success in regard to recruiting Canadian players. 15 years ago, a lot of schools, BC included, did not go after Canadian talent as aggressively as they do now. Over time though, witnessing firsthand the talent that Maine had amassed, it became obvious to schools like BC that in order to compete, they were going to have to recruit on a more National, if not International level. 15 years ago, guys like Kolanos, Kobasew, Bertram, Straight, Matheson and other top notch Canadian recruits BC has lined up going forward would almost certainly have been playing for Maine and not BC. That's not the case now as it's been a while since Maine brought in an elite Canadian.

 

[all bear]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Maine has somewhat been a victim of their own success in regard to recruiting Canadian players. 15 years ago, a lot of schools, BC included, did not go after Canadian talent as aggressively as they do now. Over time though, witnessing firsthand the talent that Maine had amassed, it became obvious to schools like BC that in order to compete, they were going to have to recruit on a more National, if not International level. 15 years ago, guys like Kolanos, Kobasew, Bertram, Straight, Matheson and other top notch Canadian recruits BC has lined up going forward would almost certainly have been playing for Maine and not BC. That's not the case now as it's been a while since Maine brought in an elite Canadian.

Kobasew at least was a player. The others are run of the mill.

 

[rufus]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

 

[carltonbarrett]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Kobasew at least was a player. The others are run of the mill.

My guess is that this Maine team would somehow, some way, find a spot somewhere for a "run of the mill" guy like Kolanos who put up 50 points (25g, 25a) as a Sophmore, not to mention scoring the GWG in the National Championship game. Bertram may not have panned out to be the bigtime goal scorer that he was expected to be, but probably still a better all around player than anyone on the current Maine team. Whether someone pans out of not is besides the point, the fact remains that Maine is no longer the major player they once were when it comes to recruiting elite Canadian talent.

 

[Hockeypuck]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

the fact remains that Maine is no longer the major player they once were when it comes to recruiting elite Canadian talent.

Half the problem is Maine doesn't recruit Canadians at all anymore unless they are 15 and using Maine as a pawn so they can get drafted by the CHL team they prefer. Maine has a grand total of 4 Canadians on the team apparently Whitehead figures he'd rather just recruit in the EJHL and get a few left overs in the USHL.

 

[bkbrkrbr]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

There are no simple answers for this. o'Neil is a talented player, who coaches seeing incapable of mistakes.d
dim men was the defensive stalwart on thar pair, Mangene has been told to jump in, soOnsie is now the Defensive guy, and is I'll suited to the role. Get a better d pairing move Mangene back up front, or a new pairing and you would get the better return, still like the Beattie, Mangene, Anthoine idea, and this would get O'Connor and Cornell back in, and build confidence, instead oh having them yo yo in and out . put Hegs with either of these guys and you will see a different , same with O'neil. Marty better last night

This makes perfect sense...Onsie has been invisible this year trying to adjust to a new partner; a F turned Dman after how many years? Onsie needs a good season being a Sr. and he's having to play a new role as the defensive partner in this pairing. He's getting penalties 'cus he's stuck covering for a D partner that can't play the position at this level. Hegs is good...he needs the right coach to motivate him. I think O'Connor and Cornell played together winning the Nat'l. Jr's. so yeah, that makes sense too. Marty will be fine, needs confidence and strong D.

 

[Hockeypuck]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Onsie needs a good season being a Sr. and he's having to play a new role as the defensive partner in this pairing. He's getting penalties 'cus he's stuck covering for a D partner that can't play the position at this level.

He's getting penalties because he's one of the slowest skaters in D1 and can't keep up with the play. I've noticed Mangene doing most of the covering for mistakes because he actually has the wheels to get back. O'Neill is useful on the powerplay that's why he's in the lineup it has certainly never been for his defense.

 

[bkbrkrbr]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Hockeypuck...you should be more grateful for the opportunities instead of throwing Onsie under the bus. Wow, that's very low.

 

[walrus]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Hockeypuck...you should be more grateful for the opportunities instead of throwing Onsie under the bus. Wow, that's very low.

Ever watch him skate? If he's behind the play he has no chance to catch up

 

[Nostrajimus]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Oro-zero! come on fafan, what do u got?

 

[sandiegoblkbr]

FWIW, Maine wasn't very good on Friday night. Grasping at straws and a ray of hope with those shot stats, IMO.

Last Saturday Lowell outshot their opponent 40-24 and lost 6-3 (and outshot them 39-20 the night before and lost 4-2). Don't hang your hat on stats. Believe what you see on the ice.

A-freakin-men!

 

[sandiegoblkbr]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Timothy Whitehead is LAZY......and so is his team!

 

[bkbrkrbr]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Walrus...are you from Louisiana too?

 

[BoSox3066]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Kreider....Atkinson....Jimmy Hayes....Gerbe...Whitney...Ferrerio...Gibbons....Schneider and Muse...Voce and Shannon....Gionta....I mean honestly besides the Eaves brothers, who play for US national teams...who has BC ever had that was Canadian?

Maine's problems are NOT because BC is stealing Canadians. I've read some absurd stuff on this board but that one might take the cake.

 

[irishfan85]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Kreider....Atkinson....Jimmy Hayes....Gerbe...Whitney...Ferrerio...Gibbons....Schneider and Muse...Voce and Shannon....Gionta....I mean honestly besides the Eaves brothers, who play for US national teams...who has BC ever had that was Canadian?

Maine's problems are NOT because BC is stealing Canadians. I've read some absurd stuff on this board but that one might take the cake.

I don't care who's stealing Canadian recruits from Maine. The clear issue is Maine has gone away from what worked. Let's take the 99 NC team:
Kariya, Larose, Cullen, Kerluke, Gustafsson, Heisten, Guite, Michaud...

That's the top seven scorers and the starting goaltender...what do they have in common? 6 of the 8 are Canadian. 7 of the 8 are not from the United States of America. 8 of 8 did not play in the EJHL. Maine's bread and butter was picking good Canadians with some talented Americans who wanted to win. Not "Let's go to the Jr Monarchs and Boston Advantage game and see what we can pull out of our arse."

Look at the 02 or 04 teams, too. A few Americans, but mostly Canadians who wanted to win and had what it takes.

I'm so sick of losing. Fire Timmay!

 

[KnowItAll]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Timothy Whitehead is LAZY......and so is his team!

I do not agree that he is lazy. He does absolutely everything for that team... that is one of his major problems... he does not delegate because he does not recruit people that he trusts.... and I think that he does not trust anyone.

a lot more would get done if he doled out assignments and they were carried out by his lieutenants.... but that is never gonna happen.
the canaries were dead long ago, now the miners are dieing.

How's bangor basketball, Brewer football and John Bapts swimming look? go have some fun rooting for other kids giving it their all and save $75 doing it.

 

[KnowItAll]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

I don't care who's stealing Canadian recruits from Maine. The clear issue is Maine has gone away from what worked. Let's take the 99 NC team:
Kariya, Larose, Cullen, Kerluke, Gustafsson, Heisten, Guite, Michaud...

That's the top seven scorers and the starting goaltender...what do they have in common? 6 of the 8 are Canadian. 7 of the 8 are not from the United States of America. 8 of 8 did not play in the EJHL. Maine's bread and butter was picking good Canadians with some talented Americans who wanted to win. Not "Let's go to the Jr Monarchs and Boston Advantage game and see what we can pull out of our arse."

Look at the 02 or 04 teams, too. A few Americans, but mostly Canadians who wanted to win and had what it takes.

I'm so sick of losing. Fire Timmay!

honestly, I think it is a little more simple than that.
it was a case where good players were told to go work with Grant Standbrook, because if anyone can hone your skills, it is Grant.
for YEARS Kariya would call grant before NHL games and ask for tips... I bet ya a nickel DeKastrozza does not call Kerluke

 

[Fishman'81]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Hegs is good...

...For what? Passing through his own crease on the breakout..?

No offense intended, but he's just plain scary half the time, IMO. He has shown lousy judgment time and time again.

 

[walrus]

Re: U Maine 2011-2012 Season (thread created when Maine was at .500) Thread

Walrus...are you from Louisiana too?

Yeah
I've commuted back and forth for the last 20 something years to most every hockey game at Alfond Arena and quite a few on the road.