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TV: There She Is, The Old Radiation King

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Brenthoven said:
Gonna white out the next, even though I probably don't have to:

Omar and Marlo needed a showdown. Some random little kid, one who actually ISN'T one of the many that runs around saying "Omar is coming, watch out" when he walks down the street, is gonna pop him? For what? What is the reason?
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Now that's the lazy way out. And so predictable. The Wire isn't NCIS.

And does it need a reason? As I said, that's the world he lived in. There aren't no reasons. There just is.
 
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Kepler said:
Don't rush it. Don't binge it. The episodes are fine for shock and awe but where they really work is the ideas and the subconscious. They are freaking deep. It's like they asked Wittgenstein to write a TV script and he had Sartre and LeGuin write a couple guest episodes.
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What I meant to say was, "I'm fully caught up, but like I do with a lot of shows that are GoT-quality is that I rewatch all of the episodes in the months leading up to the show."
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
What I meant to say was, "I'm fully caught up, but like I do with a lot of shows that are GoT-quality is that I rewatch all of the episodes in the months leading up to the show."
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I'm doing this with WW too; the first time I've done it. It earned it. I will do it with Legion too.

The second watch in the full knowledge of what's going on is even deeper and better. I can't believe how well they did everything.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I also enjoy his Star Talk bit.
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Very good show when he's on. Not so much with Nye*.

* And now I have to go to confession for not honoring a Cornell brother.

This, BTW, contains one example of why Tyson is so great. That he would listen to a child as an equal, take him seriously, and then talk to him again as an equal with no patronizing and no reference intentional or not to the difference between them in maturity or knowledge, addressing instead their shared capacity to understand and be curious. That is what I felt starved for as a kid outside my immediate family, and it is how I try to parent, and seeing it done so well spontaneously is wonderful.

We need way more NdTs. They are the flickering light in a world ever more demon-haunted as the orcs rise.
 
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Kepler said:
Very good show when he's on. Not so much with Nye*.

* And now I have to go to confession for not honoring a Cornell brother.

This, BTW, contains one example of why Tyson is so great. That he would listen to a child as an equal, take him seriously, and then talk to him again as an equal with no patronizing and no reference intentional or not to the difference between them in maturity or knowledge, addressing instead their shared capacity to understand and be curious. That is what I felt starved for as a kid outside my immediate family, and it is how I try to parent, and seeing it done so well spontaneously is wonderful.

We need way more NdTs. They are the flickering light in a world ever more demon-haunted as the orcs rise.
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My parents, specifically my dad, were the guiding lights in my life when it comes to intellectual curiosity. But I also had some truly amazing teachers along the way. I still remember stumbling on an undiscovered pattern in calculus jotting in my notebook one day. My AP Calc II teacher stayed for hours after school helping me investigate it further and see what would come of it. Alas, it only work up to numbers under something like 2^64, but it was pretty exciting as a high schooler to have my calc teacher so excited and enthusiastic about learning.

I also had an incredible chemistry teacher in high school. I think I ended up with a 5 on my AP Chem exam, TAed for AP Chem my senior year, and was hooked for life on chemistry. His goal in life was to educate and get kids excited about chemistry.
 
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****it FX. Those cocks-ckers aren’t releasing Legion season 1 on Blu-ray until March 27th.

I’m not buying your insane $6/month premium package. The stuff that virtually everyone else has on demand for free.
 
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rufus said:
Now that's the lazy way out. And so predictable. The Wire isn't NCIS.

And does it need a reason? As I said, that's the world he lived in. There aren't no reasons. There just is.
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I know that's the world he lived in, he deserved a better ending, good or bad. I don't expect sunshine and unicorns. I have been told there is more to it, have to finish the final season to find out. Better not disappoint.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
****it FX. Those cocks-ckers aren’t releasing Legion season 1 on Blu-ray until March 27th.

I’m not buying your insane $6/month premium package. The stuff that virtually everyone else has on demand for free.
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I think Netflix or Amazon has the whole thing for free?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
My parents, specifically my dad, were the guiding lights in my life when it comes to intellectual curiosity. But I also had some truly amazing teachers along the way. I still remember stumbling on an undiscovered pattern in calculus jotting in my notebook one day. My AP Calc II teacher stayed for hours after school helping me investigate it further and see what would come of it. Alas, it only work up to numbers under something like 2^64, but it was pretty exciting as a high schooler to have my calc teacher so excited and enthusiastic about learning.

I also had an incredible chemistry teacher in high school. I think I ended up with a 5 on my AP Chem exam, TAed for AP Chem my senior year, and was hooked for life on chemistry. His goal in life was to educate and get kids excited about chemistry.
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For me it was my 12th grade English teacher, Jeremiah McGuillicuddy. He left seminary to get married and he had that wry, Dublinesque humor and irony that felt like a Joyce character come to life. He blew away the entire school curriculum and just taught us from Zorba the Greek and Anselm and Archibald MacLeish and The Decameron (this was before snowflakes). He respected Salinger, which just shows everybody is flawed, but he listened with infinite patience while I explained why he sucked with complete 18-year old certainty. He died young which is frustrating since I would have loved to have called him friend as an adult.

Every thinking person needs that adult mentor to take them aside and say, "It gets better. There are islands in the sea. You will see them eventually. Don't give up." As horrifying as it is to discover at 12 or 13 that you are exiled on a planet of apes, it is thrilling and inspirational to realize at 17 or 18 that there are other humans scattered about the planet and all you need do is find them and explore together.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I know that's the world he lived in, he deserved a better ending, good or bad. I don't expect sunshine and unicorns. I have been told there is more to it, have to finish the final season to find out. Better not disappoint.
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Everyone deserves a better ending. Life doesn't always work like that. And that was the beauty of The Wire, it didn't pander like regular tv, take the easy way, the age-old ways of television story-telling, what the audience expects. It turned that stuff on its head, and instead showed you life, complete with all its beauties and its faults. How things are, and work, not how they should.

Same thing with Bodie's storyline.
 
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rufus said:
Everyone deserves a better ending. Life doesn't always work like that. And that was the beauty of The Wire, it didn't pander like regular tv, take the easy way, the age-old ways of television story-telling, what the audience expects. It turned that stuff on its head, and instead showed you life, complete with all its beauties and its faults. How things are, and work, not how they should.

Same thing with Bodie's storyline.
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Just finished the series. Ended on a high note. F spoilers at this point, but the kid who ended Omar....no reason. Didn't make a name for himself, not in on the bounty, AFAIK Omar didn't harm his people, so it was bullsh*, IMO. Even in disorder, there is order.
 
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no there isn't. that's why its disorder.

life and death are random and enigmatic. especially in the areas where The Wire takes place, and in the 'careers' it showcases. that's what it was meant to show. just cause omar had a code, doesn't mean he can escape the perils of his chosen trade.

as I said before. it doesn't have to have a reason. it doesn't need to make sense. real life doesn't work that way. that you feel the need for it to have to conform to the tried and true tropes of television storytelling is all on you.

one of the greatest and most powerful scenes I've seen in tv was on the short-lived Terminator series with Lena Headey, for just this same reason. She, her son, and Kyle Reese's brother(played by the inimitable Brian Austin Greene) were fleeing the bad terminator when Reese rounds a corner, boom, bullet right to the middle of the forehead. No heroic standoff, no, "i'll hold them off while you get away", no noble sacrifice for the higher cause. just, one minute you're fleeing for your life, and the next you're dead. that's how life is, and good storytelling should reflect that.
 
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rufus said:
no there isn't. that's why its disorder.

life and death are random and enigmatic. especially in the areas where The Wire takes place, and in the 'careers' it showcases. that's what it was meant to show. just cause omar had a code, doesn't mean he can escape the perils of his chosen trade.

as I said before. it doesn't have to have a reason. it doesn't need to make sense. real life doesn't work that way. that you feel the need for it to have to conform to the tried and true tropes of television storytelling is all on you.

one of the greatest and most powerful scenes I've seen in tv was on the short-lived Terminator series with Lena Headey, for just this same reason. She, her son, and Kyle Reese's brother(played by the inimitable Brian Austin Greene) were fleeing the bad terminator when Reese rounds a corner, boom, bullet right to the middle of the forehead. No heroic standoff, no, "i'll hold them off while you get away", no noble sacrifice for the higher cause. just, one minute you're fleeing for your life, and the next you're dead. that's how life is, and good storytelling should reflect that.
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That is the exact reason why The Wire is so good. It isn't contrived drama. What happened to Omar, and the way it happened to Omar is what happens in real life, with no explanation of why. It is true to the realities of real life, and that is why it is so great. It isn't over-dramatized or milked in any way, just real life.
 
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Speaking of Omar, I've been watching Hap & Leonard on Netflix. It stars James Purefoy and Michael Kenneth Williams (the actor that plays Omar, and Chalky White on Boardwalk Empire), as 2 best friends that are borderline petty criminals, that are actually decent guys that end up caught up in bad situations. I think it normally runs on Sundance. Both of the first 2 seasons are pretty short. The first season is OK, and also co-stars Jimmi Simpson and Christina Hendricks. Short synopsis, they are looking for a lost cache of money, get involved with nefarious individuals, and have to figure a way out. The second season is much more serious, IMO. The 2 become aware of a serial killer, the cops suspect Leonard is involved, Hap and Leonard try to figure out who the killer is before they're framed/arrested for the crimes.

The first season is a little more light-hearted, but the end gets intense. The second season is really intense from the get-go and deals with some pretty serious issues. I recommend it.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
That is the exact reason why The Wire is so good. It isn't contrived drama. What happened to Omar, and the way it happened to Omar is what happens in real life, with no explanation of why. It is true to the realities of real life, and that is why it is so great. It isn't over-dramatized or milked in any way, just real life.
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in fact, it deliberately avoids the overly dramatic story-telling devices traditionally used in tv in favor of a more raw, but authentic, look at the areas and the people involved. there are no 'noble' police officers battling against corruption and bureaucracy to see that justice gets done, there are just people, good and bad, even within the same person, just trying to do their job and get through their day. the dope slingers aren't evil criminals, they're just people trying to make it through and survive in a system that they didn't create.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
That is the exact reason why The Wire is so good. It isn't contrived drama. What happened to Omar, and the way it happened to Omar is what happens in real life, with no explanation of why. It is true to the realities of real life, and that is why it is so great. It isn't over-dramatized or milked in any way, just real life.
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Just have the kid rob the store, and Omar happens to be there. Oops, there's a witness. ANYthing would have worked better IMO.

And the finale of Jessica Jones was really good. Tied it all together, and SO many ways it can go, if it's continued. Lots of frayed ends.
 
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