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TV: The Golden Era Reborn

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Finally got around to watching Fargo.

In season 1 right now and Billy Bob is a whole lot of fun.

Haven't seen the movie in many years so I didn't pick up the tie in. Wife caught it though.

Fun watch for sure.
 
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I believe I have just stumbled on to evidence supporting a WestWorld theory. Season 1 Spoiler:

OK, I do not see a reference to this so perhaps I am insane or senile. I could have sworn that during S.1 Ford whispers to Dolores Feste's line "journeys end in lovers meeting," from Twelfth Night, II.3:

O Mistress mine, where are you roaming?
O stay and hear! your true-love’s coming
That can sing both high and low;
Trip no further, pretty sweeting,
Journeys end in lovers’ meeting—
Every wise man’s son doth know.

What is love? ’tis not hereafter;
Present mirth hath present laughter;
What’s to come is still unsure:
In delay there lies no plenty,—
Then come kiss me, Sweet-and-twenty,
Youth’s a stuff will not endure.
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In the context of Dolores this most obviously is about William being The Man in Black and the action of season 1 being two parallel tracks decades apart (for my money, the best reveal in TV history and one which I did not see coming at all).

Also for her there is the bitter irony of the final line of the final stanza.

But. I was just listening to an episode of the Sherlock Holmes' story "Empty House," in which Holmes quotes the phrase "journeys end in lovers meeting" to Watson. Some background. In "Empty House," Holmes returns after several years' absence since his presumed death at the hands of Moriarty. The quote on the face of it seems to refer to their reunion. A fun fact: Sherlock Holmes' birthday is January 6. Do the math.

OK, back to WestWorld. One of the cliffhanger questions at the end of S1 is: is Ford really dead? Did Dolores kill human Ford and he's gone forever? Did Dolores kill human Ford but he had a Host Ford ready to go? Did Dolores kill a Host Ford and Ford still lives? Did Dolores kill a Host Ford and Ford has been dead a long time?

In "Empty House," Holmes springs a trap on the villain by making a duplicate Holmes which the villain then shoots, thinking he has killed him.

So... does the quote also indicate that the shot Ford is just a body double?

Whaddya think?

Spoiler caveat: As I said, it all falls apart if Ford never uses the quote, but I absolutely remember it (though google says nothing) and the quote means nothing to me in any other context so where else would I be remembering it from?

Edit: I did think of another place the wuote is used. In the 60s version of The Haunting (note, if you have not seen this movie and you like scary suspense, drop everything and see it tonight but only in pitch black and ideally alone; be prepared, it is very, very slow paced but excellent) Eleanor says the line several times to Theodora. So I knew it from there.

And Ford does quotes Shakespeare several times and...

SH-T. I know what I am remembering now. Ford's quote to Dolores is "these violent delights have violent ends." It is NOT the Twelfth Night quote.

My entire thesis is my imagination.

So. Um. As you were.
 
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Never mess with a lady.

Olivia de Havilland, who won two Oscars during Hollywood’s golden age, filed a lawsuit on Friday against FX Networks and Ryan Murphy Productions over her gossipy portrayal in the television show “Feud: Bette and Joan.”

“FX defendants misappropriated Olivia de Havilland’s name, likeness and identity without her permission and used them falsely in order to exploit their own commercial interests,” the lawsuit says. Ms. de Havilland, 101, is seeking damages for “emotional harm” and “harm to her reputation,” and is also pushing for an injunction against the use of her name and likeness.
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You go, girl.

Personally I loved Catherine Zeta-Jones' stylish and confident portrayal of de Haviland almost as much as I loved Kathy Bates' wonderful Joan Blondell.

The stars are still big. Only the pictures got small.
 
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Brenthoven said:
I might be marathoning that on Sunday. I've seen a couple docs on that "league." Should be a fun watch.
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4 eps in. Such a trashy, guilty pleasure, but that is what makes it awesome. It's basically going meta, mirroring the wrestling show that they want to make.
 
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Brenthoven said:
4 eps in. Such a trashy, guilty pleasure, but that is what makes it awesome. It's basically going meta, mirroring the wrestling show that they want to make.
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Finished it today. Outstanding. Just like its subject, has the predictable twists and turns at the end. You know what's coming, yet you relish every second of it.
 
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Kepler said:
Never mess with a lady.



You go, girl.

Personally I loved Catherine Zeta-Jones' stylish and confident portrayal of de Haviland almost as much as I loved Kathy Bates' wonderful Joan Blondell.

The stars are still big. Only the pictures got small.
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Of all the main or almost-main characters, she frankly comes out looking the best, so I don't really see her complaint. Though I don't know the rules on how you're allowed to portray a real person who's still alive.

The good news is that there will be a season 2 of Feud with a different feud. The bad news is it will be Charles and Diana, which is a bit played out. I mean, if you're going to do it, go with something more risky; if you want British, why not Disraeli vs Gladstone. I think Sarandon could play Gladstone and Lange could play Disraeli.
 
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The Handmaid's Tale (miniseries).

Petty bad. I went in predisposed to like it if for no other reason after Pence packs the Court we'll be living in it, but a combination of weak acting and hamfisted direction turns this into a 15-year old's book report on the novel. Plodding, pedantic, obvious and amateurish. Hard to go wrong with that material, but they did. D.
 
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Kepler said:
The Handmaid's Tale (miniseries).

Petty bad. I went in predisposed to like it if for no other reason after Pence packs the Court we'll be living in it, but a combination of weak acting and hamfisted direction turns this into a 15-year old's book report on the novel. Plodding, pedantic, obvious and amateurish. Hard to go wrong with that material, but they did. D.
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I've yet to watch it but this might be the only negative review I've seen at any forum.
 
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Slap Shot said:
I've yet to watch it but this might be the only negative review I've seen at any forum.
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It's Kepler. He's a negative indicator when it comes to most entertainment.

I've started watching the series. While it's not perfect, I thought it's been thought provoking in displaying a worst-case-scenario of what could happen to America if the wrong government came into power.
 
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Kepler said:
The Handmaid's Tale (miniseries).

Petty bad. I went in predisposed to like it if for no other reason after Pence packs the Court we'll be living in it, but a combination of weak acting and hamfisted direction turns this into a 15-year old's book report on the novel. Plodding, pedantic, obvious and amateurish. Hard to go wrong with that material, but they did. D.
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Kep, Apocalypse Now must have been an offensively overindulgent butchering of Heart of Darkness to you. I mean, it was to a lot of people, but not many thought to hold it up against the novel.
 
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Kepler said:
The Handmaid's Tale (miniseries).

Petty bad. I went in predisposed to like it if for no other reason after Pence packs the Court we'll be living in it, but a combination of weak acting and hamfisted direction turns this into a 15-year old's book report on the novel. Plodding, pedantic, obvious and amateurish. Hard to go wrong with that material, but they did. D.
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No Oxford comma?
 
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St. Clown said:
It's Kepler. He's a negative indicator when it comes to most entertainment.

I've started watching the series. While it's not perfect, I thought it's been thought provoking in displaying a worst-case-scenario of what could happen to America if the wrong government came into power.
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That's the book. All the content is the book. All the presentation is the movie, and that's what is weak as-s sh-t.
 
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My girlfriend, whose taste is nothing like Kepler's, had almost the exact same response to the show. She loved the book and had a lot of issues with the series. I am not sure if she finished it she just stopped talking about it.
 
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Handyman said:
My girlfriend, whose taste is nothing like Kepler's, had almost the exact same response to the show. She loved the book and had a lot of issues with the series. I am not sure if she finished it she just stopped talking about it.
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Ask her what she thought of The Robber Bride. That is my favorite Atwood novel -- the first third of it is really well written -- and it's straightforward enough that it could probably come across OK on TV or movie.
 
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