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Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord

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Drew S. said:
Or how about if you sell a gun to a prohibited person there is some sort of penalty? That would be a lot more fair and easier to enforce. Gun owners are 100% behind things that will society safer but completely against regulation for the sake of regulation.
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How about you run a background check to prevent as many as we can, and if you don't check you are charged as an accomplice or aiding and abetting. If you run all the checks and they don't pass but you still sell, same thing.

If they pass everything and then commit a crime, you've done your due diligence unless negligence can be proven. Say in cases where they say something like, "I need a gun to rob a bank" but pass the BG checks and you sell to them.
 
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burd said:
How significant is the burden on you to be prohibited from entering on the parking lot of the courthouse or the post office building while you are carrying? I assume you do not park at the courthouse unless you are going in, and you can leave your gun in the vehicle when you go into the post office, can't you? Is it a burden or a burr under your saddle?
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I prefer to not leave a firearm in a vehicle. It's too easily stolen.

Unless it's behind a lock that only I know the combo to*, I want to be able to feel it. Given that, sure, maybe "burr", but I believe a good, safe, smart one.


* 59, 63, 80, 82, 87, 97, 00, 16. ;)
 
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The Sicatoka said:
My experience is "gun folks" are guns first, other stuff second.
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My experience of the gun folks around my work and where I live are they fall into two fairly distinct camps, neither of which likes the other very much. The first are "military gun people," consisting of ex-mil or perhaps city / suburb LEO personnel and their families. They are safety fanatics and have enough of an experience with the outside world that, though somewhat ideological, I would want to see them represented in any discussion of gun legislation. These are the "stakeholders" who understand policy and are extremely responsible, and they are among the most lethal critics of extreme gun nuttery. For them, while the gun may be a hobby or an aesthetic/historical interest, it is mostly a tool for a job.

The second group are "cultural gun people," consisting of wanna-be losers who never made the nut in the military or as law officers unless it is as deep rural, nepotistic LEO. They are the bigger and more diverse of the two groups, ranging all the way from tin foil hat conspiracy nuts to pudgy weekend warrior car dealership owners. They're loud, stupid, fat and aggressive and they fixate on guns as a cultural totem. Typically male, there are versions with boobs, too. Responsible gun people loath them and give them a wide berth. They show up every week in the Florida or 'Murica threads, the police blotter, or the DHS weapon-confiscation file.

I like the first group and I'd like to shoot the second group into the sun.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I prefer to not leave a firearm in a vehicle. It's too easily stolen.

Unless it's behind a lock that only I know the combo to*, I want to be able to feel it. Given that, sure, maybe "burr", but I believe a good, safe, smart one.


* 59, 63, 80, 82, 87, 97, 00, 16. ;)
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Love the combo.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
I prefer to not leave a firearm in a vehicle. It's too easily stolen.

Unless it's behind a lock that only I know the combo to*, I want to be able to feel it. Given that, sure, maybe "burr", but I believe a good, safe, smart one.


* 59, 63, 80, 82, 87, 97, 00, 16. ;)
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But no, guns aren't a compensatory mechanism, or anything like that.
 
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Kepler said:
My experience of the gun folks around my work and where I live are they fall into two fairly distinct camps, neither of which likes the other very much. The first are "military gun people," consisting of ex-mil or perhaps city / suburb LEO personnel and their families.

I like the first group ...
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My dad was military. A lot of family friends are local LEO. I'm the safety zealot as taught and demanded by dad. So, guilty as charged I guess. :D
 
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Kepler said:
Source?

I have not seen a consensus on guns like that say concerning climate. Of course, given that the government of the United States is about to be controlled by denialists, one can see that even a consensus on guns would mean nothing to these people. There's profits to be made and voters to manipulate. Against that, what chance do facts have?
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Sorry, gun safety research is banned here. No sources for you! I'll get some links tonight and post them.

In the mean time, I posted this is the 0 days thread, but I think this is a fine example of group 2
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...low-of-guns-machetes-grenades-and-body-armor/
 
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rufus said:
But no, guns aren't a compensatory mechanism, or anything like that.
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:rolleyes:

If it's not in the vault I want to know where it is.

I'm sorry that I can't smell it or hear it or taste it when it's with me. And heavens if I continually see it because someone else might and then it's not concealed and ergo I'm violating the law.
 
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jerphisch said:
Sorry but there is science on guns, and it is ignored by conservatives just like other science is. Science says more guns make society more dangerous. Period. Anecdotes say they can make you safer, just like anecdotes say it's getting colder.
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So do you think (in theory obviously) people of above average intelligence owning guns makes society less safe?
 
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The Sicatoka said:
My dad was military. A lot of family friends are local LEO. I'm the safety zealot as taught and demanded by dad. So, guilty as charged I guess. :D
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My thinking on guns changed a lot when I met a lot of Group 1. Those people know what they're doing, and they know that if they f-ck up it's going to be their toddler who offs itself. Plus, they typically come with a bazillion years of experience in scouts, and hunting, and the military, and all sorts of puttering that has made them very impressive examples of self-teaching, self-reliant humans.

I want those people on my side whatever the fight is. I want to convince them that we are natural allies against the recklessness of Group 2.
 
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