Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord

[burd]

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It was what I thought a pretty obvious joke. Sorry it wasn't more clear though. Contrary to popular belief not all gun owners are idiots and even highly educated folk can enjoy shooting.

Contrary to NRA belief many "educated folk" who support better gun regulation also own guns and hunt.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Contrary to NRA belief many "educated folk" who support better gun regulation also own guns and hunt.

I can't remember if it was 93% of gun-owners or 93% of the population support stricter gun laws. But it's one of those.

I believe liberals would fall into both stats

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Yeah, I went to buy shells from a retail store this year for the first time in my life. I was super embarrassed to ask questions.

You wouldn't be embarrassed to ask your car dealer about the right fuel* for your new car, would you? Same thing.

* 87, E-10, E-15, E-85, 89, 91, 92, ... diesel ...

 

[SJHovey]

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More fun as the US prepares to leave the free world.

So is this supposed to be the internet version of the Svalbard seed bank?

 

[Kepler]

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Sorry but there is science on guns, and it is ignored by conservatives just like other science is. Science says more guns make society more dangerous. Period. Anecdotes say they can make you safer, just like anecdotes say it's getting colder.

Source?

I have not seen a consensus on guns like that say concerning climate. Of course, given that the government of the United States is about to be controlled by denialists, one can see that even a consensus on guns would mean nothing to these people. There's profits to be made and voters to manipulate. Against that, what chance do facts have?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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You wouldn't be embarrassed to ask your car dealer about the right fuel* for your new car, would you? Same thing.

* 87, E-10, E-15, E-85, 89, 91, 92, ... diesel ...

Fair enough. Good point

 

[Kepler]

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So is this supposed to be the internet version of the Svalbard seed bank?

Only with more porn. I mean, presumably.

The idea here is to preserve the historical record when Trump's goons go Ministry of Truth on the internet.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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I could negotiate gun regulations, if, as Kep has posited for other political footballs, there'd be some give and take between the sides.

Want to make every exchange of ownership of a weapon have to go through an FFL. Great.
But, as a licensed concealed carry holder*, allow me to have full, nationwide reciprocity just like my driver's license.
Want more? Fine. Whatcha want? But my ask will be to allow licensed concealed carry on all public grounds**.


*I currently have a resident ND Class I. That's literally the best reciprocity in the US right now (ND, plus 39 states).
**Right now, if I'm carrying, legally, I can't even park in the parking lot of a county courthouse or go into a US post office to check my box.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Source?

I have not seen a consensus on guns like that say concerning climate. Of course, given that the government of the United States is about to be controlled by denialists, one can see that even a consensus on guns would mean nothing to these people. There's profits to be made and voters to manipulate. Against that, what chance do facts have?

I guess I would point to Switzerland, but maybe they're an outlier.

If I had to guess, I would say the population determines more about the level of danger a society presents rather than the presence of guns.

Though you could easily point right back at Australia as an example of what happens when you take guns away. Or maybe even as evidence to a theory that while guns don't make a society more dangerous, if the people can't handle them, maybe the guns should be taken away.

I don't think I want to go down that route though.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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But, as a licensed concealed carry holder*, allow me to have full, nationwide reciprocity just like my driver's license.

THere needs to be a way to check electronically that it is still valid at the time ownership is transferred*. Which is to say, you might as well run another background check so that we don't have multiple systems that need to be maintained. One point of reference for all of the country to make it easier.


*Just because you carry a driver's license doesn't mean it's valid. Cops don't take a look at it and accept it on the spot. They verify it's valid electronically.

 

[Drew S.]

I could negotiate gun regulations, if, as Kep has posited for other political footballs, there'd be some give and take between the sides.

Want to make every exchange of ownership of a weapon have to go through an FFL. Great.
But, as a licensed concealed carry holder*, allow me to have full, nationwide reciprocity just like my driver's license.
Want more? Fine. Whatcha want? But my ask will be to allow licensed concealed carry on all public grounds**.


*I currently have a resident ND Class I. That's literally the best reciprocity in the US right now (ND, plus 39 states).
**Right now, if I'm carrying, legally, I can't even park in the parking lot of a county courthouse or go into a US post office to check my box.

Or how about if you sell a gun to a prohibited person there is some sort of penalty? That would be a lot more fair and easier to enforce. Gun owners are 100% behind things that will society safer but completely against regulation for the sake of regulation.

 

[Kepler]

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I could negotiate gun regulations, if, as Kep has posited for other political footballs, there'd be some give and take between the sides.

Want to make every exchange of ownership of a weapon have to go through an FFL. Great.
But, as a licensed concealed carry holder*, allow me to have full, nationwide reciprocity just like my driver's license.
Want more? Fine. Whatcha want? But my ask will be to allow licensed concealed carry on all public grounds**.


*I currently have a resident ND Class I. That's literally the best reciprocity in the US right now (ND, plus 39 states).
**Right now, if I'm carrying, legally, I can't even park in the parking lot of a county courthouse or go into a US post office to check my box.

I guess the problem with reciprocity is it lowers all states to the lowest denominator. We don't really care about this with driver's licenses (I guess) but we do about guns.

Also, I would bet there are federal guidelines on state motor vehicle licensing tied to purse strings in the way speed limits were, and good luck with that in Congress for guns.

The NRA is so strong it distorts any effort to bring sanity to the debate. People allow that to continue because it's all tied up with their cultural self identity. The way to break the former is to open the club to everybody. You think Billy Bob is going to be all fired up to defend the gun show loophole when the majority of new gun owners are black or Mexican or oh hell no Muslim?

Right now guns are seen as redneck rights. Open them up to everyone's rights and there will be a far greater acceptance of limiting them. Sad, but true.

And the gun lobby will love it because it increases their sales. That's the way to drive a wedge between the NRA and the Deplorables. Buy them out.

 

[MaizeRage]

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You think Billy Bob is going to be all fired up to defend the gun show loophole when the majority of new gun owners are black or Mexican or oh hell no Muslim?

The problem is that giving guns to "criminals" is always going to be a no-go and they're one in the same to Billy Bob(His DUIs and domestic violence "incident" don't count, of course).

 

[The Sicatoka]

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THere needs to be a way to check electronically that it is still valid at the time ownership is transferred*. Which is to say, you might as well run another background check so that we don't have multiple systems that need to be maintained. One point of reference for all of the country to make it easier.

*Just because you carry a driver's license doesn't mean it's valid. Cops don't take a look at it and accept it on the spot. They verify it's valid electronically.

I gave a link to the ND Attorney General CCW license site. The ND 24 hour phone number is there.

And the FBI NICS background check number that FFLs use for a sale is always staffed.

 

[Drew S.]

I guess the problem with reciprocity is it lowers all states to the lowest denominator. We don't really care about this with driver's licenses (I guess) but we do about guns.

Also, I would bet there are federal guidelines on state motor vehicle licensing tied to purse strings in the way speed limits were, and good luck with that in Congress for guns.

The NRA is so strong it distorts any effort to bring sanity to the debate. People allow that to continue because it's all tied up with their cultural self identity. The way to break the former is to open the club to everybody. You think Billy Bob is going to be all fired up to defend the gun show loophole when the majority of new gun owners are black or Mexican or oh hell no Muslim?

Right now guns are seen as redneck rights. Open them up to everyone's rights and there will be a far greater acceptance of limiting them. Sad, but true.

And the gun lobby will love it because it increases their sales. That's the way to drive a wedge between the NRA and the Deplorables. Buy them out.

This makes sense in theory, but do you really think someone is going to move to a different state so they can carry guns in some other state? There are quite a few states (Maine being one) where anyone can carry and as far as I know there hasn't been any sort of increase in incidents when the law was changed. With all that being said, I can see why a place like NYC wouldn't want a bunch of tourists bringing their guns with them.

 

[Kepler]

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The problem is that giving guns to "criminals" is always going to be a no-go and they're one in the same to Billy Bob(His DUIs and domestic violence "incident" don't count, of course).

Billy Bob is as or more f-cked than the Hindu grocer down the street, then. The only way to actually achieve Republican Heaven is to institute actual laws that distinguish based on race and/or ethno-religion. I don't doubt for a moment those f-ckwits would like to do that, but in order to they would first have to completely destroy the democratic institutions of the US. That's a big job and it requires either a huge majority or a lot of violence. The right in this country is cowardly -- they lie even to themselves about what they are. They lack the "will to power" to achieve that sort of social transformation. Just look at the hood ornament of the whole project: a vain, foolish coward way out of his depth.

America is stronger than these sh-tstains. We'll be here long after they're dust. The job here is to mitigate the damage they cause before even their lemmings see them clearly and turn on them.

 

[burd]

Re: Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord

I could negotiate gun regulations, if, as Kep has posited for other political footballs, there'd be some give and take between the sides.

Want to make every exchange of ownership of a weapon have to go through an FFL. Great.
But, as a licensed concealed carry holder*, allow me to have full, nationwide reciprocity just like my driver's license.
Want more? Fine. Whatcha want? But my ask will be to allow licensed concealed carry on all public grounds**.


*I currently have a resident ND Class I. That's literally the best reciprocity in the US right now (ND, plus 39 states).
**Right now, if I'm carrying, legally, I can't even park in the parking lot of a county courthouse or go into a US post office to check my box.

How significant is the burden on you to be prohibited from entering on the parking lot of the courthouse or the post office building while you are carrying? I assume you do not park at the courthouse unless you are going in, and you can leave your gun in the vehicle when you go into the post office, can't you? Is it a burden or a burr under your saddle?

 

[MaizeRage]

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One point of reference for all of the country to make it easier.

I vote we make the new guy here tell all our Valid Opinion Havers about his fancy new federal gun owner registry. They'll love that almost as much as minority voting rights and libraries. I could start writing Flaggy's posts about it now.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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You think Billy Bob is going to be all fired up to defend the gun show loophole when the majority of new gun owners are black or Mexican or oh hell no Muslim?

My experience is "gun folks" are guns first, other stuff second. I see folks I'd never expect to see chatting chatting --> the Muslim cardiac surgeon and the (your word) "redneck" armored truck driver. I rather enjoy watching the old retired farmer guys talking with the Vietnamese mother and daughter who all shoot at the range together. As the old farmers get older (lose hand or arm strength) they have to change grip or stance and the ladies get to school them about form. It's awesome.

 

[MaizeRage]

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I don't doubt for a moment those f-ckwits would like to do that, but in order to they would first have to completely destroy the democratic institutions of the US. That's a big job and it requires either a huge majority or a lot of violence.

A lot of truthiness in that second statement. Turns out all it takes is a few emailz! and a couple bucks in health insurance premiums.