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Trump First Term I: I for One Welcome Our New Trumpy Overlord

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How people treat me, and how they treat others is important to me, I guess. Your mileage may vary, but I'll keep your 'lol it's just a vote' opinions in mind for when the consequences of that come around.

So which do we think Deutsche Bank is more likely to do? Pay their $14B fine to the soon-to-be Trump-controlled Department of Justice for their mortgage lending practices during the housing bubble, or cut a deal using the hundreds of millions of dollars that Trump owes them as leverage?
 
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Trump is a horrible slice of excrement, but I don't expect everyone to have the same priorities as I when throwing votes around. Most if not all of my coworker friends voted for him. Some as an F.U. to Hillary, some as an F.U. to liberals, some as an F.U. to everything, and some because they are lifetime "R" supporters -- their decision is already made the moment the brand goes on, for all sorts of reasons. Most of these people's reasons are, to me, facile and/or self-destructive, but that doesn't lessen my friendship with them. I'm not putting them on a debate team or a panel to decide health care or tax rates or, basically, anything to do with policy. I'm touching antenna to get through the miserable existence of yet again not winning the lottery, and they're good enough for that. I'm sure they think of me as similarly dopey.

If Trump lines people up against the wall and they equivocate then yeah, the friendship is over. But that will make them something I didn't know they were. I already knew they were Republicans. That's just a biographical misfortune, not something to factor in when choosing a friend.
 
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unofan said:
Their reasoning behind it may be, though.
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It may be, but that kind of thing tends to express itself in lots of different ways, not only votes. If you have a friend who laughs when homeless people are set on fire, you don't really have to wait to find out who they voted for before crossing them off your Christmas card list.

A vote is conditioned (term used intentionally) by far too many factors than the essential goodness of a person. Yes, you and I understand that voting for people like Trump is at best ignorant and could rhyme with the type of disorder that also makes people blindly believe America is The Best Of All Possible Worlds and thus reason that those who suffer or prosper "deserve" it. But I'm not going to take their affiliation as an infallible sign of the latter -- if I did that I frankly wouldn't be able to be friends with anybody who votes GOP.

Voting for Trump is neither necessary nor sufficient evidence that somebody is a sociopath. They could, for instance, be a fool, and that's no crime. When Donald starts evicting Muslims from their homes and giving them to his donors, or when he starts rounding up press who have been critical of him and sending them to Liberty U. for re-education, then the people who support that, or at least turn a blind eye, will no longer be welcome in my life. But it's early days, yet. Let's see what happens. Even Republicans can surprise us by showing a tinge of humanity, sometimes. ;)
 
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MaizeRage said:
How people treat me, and how they treat others is important to me, I guess. Your mileage may vary, but I'll keep your 'lol it's just a vote' opinions in mind for when the consequences of that come around.

So which do we think Deutsche Bank is more likely to do? Pay their $14B fine to the soon-to-be Trump-controlled Department of Justice for their mortgage lending practices during the housing bubble, or cut a deal using the hundreds of millions of dollars that Trump owes them as leverage?
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I highly doubt this would've been any different under Hillary, at least other than the leverage part.
 
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trixR4kids said:
I highly doubt this would've been any different under Hillary, at least other than the leverage part.
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Exactly. This a55hole's newspaper rant was the equivalent of the self-proclaimed business owners over at Freep who wrote opuses about firing their liberal employees, or cutting their liberal kids/grandkids out of their wills, both times Obama won.
 
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SJHovey said:
Think of Trump like a kidney stone for the country. Pretty good likelihood it's going to be painful and deeply unpleasant, with a minuscule possibility it could kill you, but with plenty of liquids will probably just be cause for relief once it's over.
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And he may provide us with a reason to score some oxy or its metaphorical equivalent.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Your little quote mentions nothing about providing them a platform, which is the real issue here.

It's the same as the West Virginia lady that called Michelle Obama an ape in heels and the Washington Post describing it as "controversial remarks" like there's a legitimate Pro argument to what she said. She can have that viewpoint; I haven't seen anyone seriously suggesting she should be jailed. But presenting it that way only elevates and normalizes it. Your little irreverent South Park clones shouldn't be jailed for their Seig Heils either, but they sure as hell should be nowhere near mainstream political opinion. These guys were on the fringes of society for a reason, and now they're not because people like you felt we kept "piling on" poor Donald Trump.
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Or the papers reporting about "racially charged" language used by Trump, Bannon, and others of his staff and supporters.
 
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MaizeRage said:
Your little quote mentions nothing about providing them a platform, which is the real issue here.

It's the same as the West Virginia lady that called Michelle Obama an ape in heels and the Washington Post describing it ...
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So they have their forum already: The Internet.
And they have their forum: Washington Post.

They can say whatever they want as that is their right; it doesn't mean you or I have to continue to listen.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
That's Executive Branch. Why doesn't the guy with the power right now get that dealt with.
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Because once you give someone, an office, or a position(George Bush) power to do something, the next person in that office or position isn't willingly going to give that power up.

I believe those on the left were warning you(the generic you) about that at the time, and the response was, "well, if you're not breaking the law, what do you have to worry about"?
 
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unofan said:
Their reasoning behind it may be, though.
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Yes but that adds context and really would disqualify from friendship anyways. If he was a racist, misogynistic tool his voting for Trump would not be the reason he and I arent friends.
 
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rufus said:
Because once you give someone, an office, or a position(George Bush) power to do something, the next person in that office or position isn't willingly going to give that power up.

I believe those on the left were warning you(the generic you) about that at the time, and the response was, "well, if you're not breaking the law, what do you have to worry about"?
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There was lots of people around here saying that...let alone in the real world. Such faulty logic.
 
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rufus said:
Because once you give someone, an office, or a position(George Bush) power to do something, the next person in that office or position isn't willingly going to give that power up.

I believe those on the left were warning you(the generic you) about that at the time, and the response was, "well, if you're not breaking the law, what do you have to worry about"?
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The Patriot Act will go down as one of the greatest misnomers in history.
There is nothing the original American Patriots would find "patriotic" about Fourth Amendment violations.

And power is something no one gives away. Mr. Obama didn't get rid of that rubbish Mr. Bush left him. Why? Power.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
And power is something no one gives away. Mr. Obama didn't get rid of that rubbish Mr. Bush left him. Why? Power.
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This is true but not quite the way you mean it. We are stuck with TPA because anyone who tries to remove its chokehold will be instantly pilloried by very powerful interests. It's the same reason we have not cut back on the military despite our debt and the insane opportunity cost of all the useful things that budget could be spent on.

By becoming a fawning, cowardly national security state on a permanent wartime footing we've finally realize the fears "Publius" had in the Federalist. We will bankrupt the Republic because the parasites impersonate our protectors and constantly beat into our heads that the world is too dangerous to be free in.
 
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The Sicatoka said:
They can say whatever they want as that is their right; it doesn't mean you or I have to continue to listen.
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Except now I do because they've been given a tremendous amount of political power because yokels like you lack the critical thinking skills beyond "White guy in a suit...must have some good ideas." I missed the season finale of South Park. Was it as hilarious as "Only white immigrants from white nations should be allowed into the United States."?

Just because you're too much of a coward to take responsibility for your own actions doesn't mean the consequences of it don't exist for the rest of us.
 
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Please do not attack posters ad hom. Evidently nobody gets ban-hammered here anymore, but if they did that would do it.
 
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Kepler said:
Please do not attack posters ad hom. Evidently nobody gets ban-hammered here anymore, but if they did that would do it.
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It's OK Kep*. MaizeRage can say whatever they choose. It's part of the package deal.

It's like when MaizeRage kept saying "hayseed idiots" a couple pages back.
To me it was exposing not one, but two stereotypes:
- what the elite think about "flyover"
- that the flyover stereotype of elites might accurate (that they are too in their own echo chamber to see their own misgivings)


*And that's coming from a guy with "Mjolnir powers" on another forum.
 
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Kepler said:
Please do not attack posters ad hom. Evidently nobody gets ban-hammered here anymore, but if they did that would do it.
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It's not ad hom if "White nationalism is haha funny like South Park" is a well-established position.

The Sicatoka said:
It's like when MaizeRage kept saying "hayseed idiots" a couple pages back.
To me it was exposing not one, but two stereotypes:
- what the elite think about "flyover"
- that the flyover stereotype of elites might accurate (that they are too in their own echo chamber to see their own misgivings)
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Sure. I just don't understand what they understand about Them Muslims that they learned from Fox News.
 
The Sicatoka said:
It's OK Kep*. MaizeRage can say whatever they choose. It's part of the package deal.

It's like when MaizeRage kept saying "hayseed idiots" a couple pages back.
To me it was exposing not one, but two stereotypes:
- what the elite think about "flyover"
- that the flyover stereotype of elites might accurate (that they are too in their own echo chamber to see their own misgivings)


*And that's coming from a guy with "Mjolnir powers" on another forum.
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I've lived in the Midwest for roughly 28 of my 35 years on this earth. The belief that farmers know best because they've got the common sense that the urban pansies have lost is one of the biggest farking mistaken stereotypes out there in flyover country.

Blue collar snobbery may sound like an oxymoron, but it exists in spades, especially in the rural areas.
 
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