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Trouble at Boston Marathon?

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Press conference that was supposed to be at 5pm, canceled, rumors are it will still happen in the next few hours. Further speculation that they do have someone in custody and are getting him squirreled away before the announcement?
 
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the news media barely wait for one source and you think they should wait for two??? Get out of the Stone Age, Grandpa

Long time WaPo editor Ben Bradlee told this story on himself: he got what he thought was good info that LBJ was going to fire J. Edgar Hoover. Bradlee wrote the story and the paper published it. Subsequently LBJ appointed Hoover for life. Colleagues ragged Bradlee, blaming him for "saddling us with Hoover forever" because LBJ was pizzed that Bradlee had tipped his hand.*

Sometimes media types are just stupid. At the height of Watergate, Nixon made some campaign-like stops at safe venues, one of which was in Phoenix. I was there, sitting about 5 feet from Tom Brokaw. Anyway, an enterprising reporter for a different station "learned" that there was an ambulance in the motorcade (a precaution taken after Dallas) and somehow this common practice morphed into Nixon having "chest pains." You can just imagine the excitement that caused. We had numerous callers asking if the report they heard on the other station was accurate. We were delighted to say no, and suggest they stop listening to those idiots.

*Jason Robards told that story in "All the President's Men."
 
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Assuming this is the guy and that the letters actually contained ricin: just how nutty do you have to be to suddenly start putting lethal sh*t in letters to Capitol Hill? He is evidently well known, and had been under investigation for his relentless letter writing. How nutty do you have to be to up the ante with ricin, and still use your name or initials? And assuming this nutbar did put ricin in his letters, where did he get the expertise to "weaponize" it and safely handle it so he didn't infect himself?
 
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Assuming this is the guy and that the letters actually contained ricin: just how nutty do you have to be to suddenly start putting lethal sh*t in letters to Capitol Hill? He is evidently well known, and had been under investigation for his relentless letter writing. How nutty do you have to be to up the ante with ricin, and still use your name or initials? And assuming this nutbar did put ricin in his letters, where did he get the expertise to "weaponize" it and safely handle it so he didn't infect himself?

hell, anyone with youtube and and some sterile clothing could probably do it. which is what makes it scary
 
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hell, anyone with youtube and and some sterile clothing could probably do it. which is what makes it scary

My understanding (based entirely on talking head "experts") is that it's considerably more difficult than that. Handling it once you've created and coated those tiny little particles so they don't stick together, is also a problem. Our mad scientist surely doesn't want to kill himself. Inhaling a microscopic amount of this stuff can, apparently, be lethal.

However difficult it is to make the stuff, why would a chronic letter writer suddenly decide he needed to punctuate his rants with poison? These initial tests are "presumptive" but not conclusive it's ricin. I'm beginning to think we're dealing with false positives. And a possible hoax.
 
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Breaking Bad

TV shows and movies are notoriously poor sources for that kind of information.

For instance in virtually every big car crash, the vehicle bursts into flame, generally as the stars are able to escape by leaping to safety (toward the camera, naturally) at the last moment.
 
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My understanding (based entirely on talking head "experts") is that it's considerably more difficult than that. Handling it once you've created and coated those tiny little particles so they don't stick together, is also a problem. Our mad scientist surely doesn't want to kill himself. Inhaling a microscopic amount of this stuff can, apparently, be lethal.

However difficult it is to make the stuff, why would a chronic letter writer suddenly decide he needed to punctuate his rants with poison? These initial tests are "presumptive" but not conclusive it's ricin. I'm beginning to think we're dealing with false positives.

Surely he knew that his mail wouldn't reach the president if it was laced with poison. He also signed his actual initials so I think that he wanted to be caught.
 
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Surely he knew that his mail wouldn't reach the president if it was laced with poison. He also signed his actual initials so I think that he wanted to be caught.

The only thing that makes sense (and that's certainly not a requirement) is that his letters didn't contain ricin. And that this was a hoax. Only a microscopic percentage of mail reaches the president under any circumstances. Part of how the Secret Service and the Feebs knew who this guy was and where to find him is his use of his initials in earlier letters. If you're planning to go all in and poison a senator and POTUS, wouldn't you use another set of initials? As far as "wanting to get caught" is concerned, no offense, but that sounds like TV shrink talk. It strikes me as a bit too glib, although I guess anything's possible. If he really did put ricin in those letters, intending to kill people, and used his real initials, my money's on "stupid" as the explanation.
 
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The NY Post was wildly wrong with its Boston stories, while the WSJ always waited until they had official confirmation from an "on the record" source before they published anything (or they reported "Associated Press is saying....") Funny how two papers with the same ownership have such vastly different standards!

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Federal investigators said Wednesday they are working to identify a person in a video who appeared to leave a bag in the spot where one of two bombs later exploded near the finish line of the Boston Marathon.

Authorities also are trying to identify at least one other person seen in videos of the crowd, according to people familiar with the matter.

The new information emerged on a day of roller-coaster emotions in the city where three were killed and more than 175 injured Monday. Several news organizations reported that a suspect was in custody and would be transported to the federal courthouse in Boston, prompting crowds to gather there, but authorities later said no arrest had been made.

The quest to tease useful information from a mountain of evidence, including what one lawmaker called the equivalent of hundreds of hours of video, bore its first fruit with the images of the suspicious person near the marathon's finish line.

Investigators pored over surveillance video from retail stores and restaurants near the bombing site as well as video and photographs from citizens, news organizations and other sources, officials said.

The officials stopped short of calling the person with the bag a formal suspect in the attack, after past cases where initial investigative targets turned out to be innocent.

The two explosives were placed in black bags or backpacks, the Federal Bureau of Investigation has said, and officials said the bag seen in the video seemed to be made from material similar to the shreds of black nylon found at the bombing site.
 
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Check out this photo collection. Several "persons of interest" therein. The New York Post this morning is reporting only the two more obvious ones (blue jogging suit guy and white baseball cap guy). There's also a Ted Kazinski looking character and two military types in the area before the blasts...

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA
 
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Check out this photo collection. Several "persons of interest" therein. The New York Post this morning is reporting only the two more obvious ones (blue jogging suit guy and white baseball cap guy). There's also a Ted Kazinski looking character and two military types in the area before the blasts...

http://imgur.com/a/sUrnA

The NY Post story also said that law enforcement officials were circulating the photos only among themselves and that they had not been officially released to the public.

In the photos being distributed by law-enforcement officials among themselves

gee, guys, did you ever stop to think that maybe they had a very good reason for that decision?? :rolleyes:
 
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