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Trouble at Boston Marathon?

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bigblue_dl said:
I have a feeling that when the investigation runs its course we're going to find out this was an act of domestic terrorism, as opposed to Islamic terrorism.....I'm not sure why I have that feeling but it just doesn't feel right for Islamic terrorism. It seems like it was set up to look like that, but I have my doubts. Obviously its too early for anyone in our positions to know for sure.
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Just because it's domestic doesn't preclude it from also being Islamic. I'm not saying one way or the other as I simply don't know. However, to my point, look at the DC Sniper as proof that it can be both. It was a different method of terrorism, but John Allen Muhhamad and Lee Malvo were both Americans.
 
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St. Clown said:
Just because it's domestic doesn't preclude it from also being Islamic. I'm not saying one way or the other as I simply don't know. However, to my point, look at the DC Sniper as proof that it can be both. It was a different method of terrorism, but John Allen Muhhamad and Lee Malvo were both Americans.
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Timothy McVeigh was a Muslim? :rolleyes:
 
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I don't think this is domestic. Outside of it being tax day, it isn't politically charged enough. They'd rather draw attention to a specific government installation or business. Blowing up a random crowd full of people minding their own beeswax isn't exactly the Dale Carnegie way of making anyone sympathetic to your views.

I agree that if it was foreign terror, AQ and others would be falling over themselves to claim it. No one seems to want this hot potato at the moment. Then again, they may be trying to wait a few days for emotions to die down so the entire world doesn't LASER DEATH KILL them. Also, this was not really organized enough to be the doings of a big group, probably just a couple people. Maybe has to do with Syria, they hacked NPR's website yesterday.

My WAG is either a lone cuckoo clock, or a 1-4 person group of homegrown Middle East sympathizers.
 
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St. Clown said:
Just because it's domestic doesn't preclude it from also being Islamic. I'm not saying one way or the other as I simply don't know. However, to my point, look at the DC Sniper as proof that it can be both. It was a different method of terrorism, but John Allen Muhhamad and Lee Malvo were both Americans.
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Or the failed Times Square bomber too.
 
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Totally agree with you. Except the setting up to look like that. What makes you think that? I didn't see/hear/read anything that would lead me to believe that. I think it's late teen/early 20s person/persons. Any international terrorists would have been much worse, imho. Also, don't they tend to say "Yeah, we did that!!" There has been nothing like that with this.
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I guess what I meant when I said it was meant to look like it could be from a terrorist group from the middle east, is that it had a very IED/roadside bomb look/feel, like something you'd see with US military getting attacked in Iraq or Afghanistan. I don't know, its all speculation at this point. No matter who it was, or what they stand for, hang 'em high.
 
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One thing that I just thought of, that is probably completely off base, is could this have anything to do with North Korea? They have never, as far as I'm aware, been the source of a terrorist attack like this in the past, but things change. I read in an article last week about North Korea, that their recent history suggested that they would do something provocative on April 15th, because it is a day of national celebration, as it is the birthday of the founder, and first leader of North Korea. Could it be that North Korea took the lead from their Islamic counterparts and have decided to engage in non-conventional warfare? Again, it is mere speculation, with no facts to back it up, but since it came to mind I thought I'd mention it. I seriously hope its not the case, we have too much other **** to worry about to have to throw those ****ers into the mix too.
 
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bigblue_dl said:
One thing that I just thought of, that is probably completely off base, is could this have anything to do with North Korea? They have never, as far as I'm aware, been the source of a terrorist attack like this in the past, but things change. I read in an article last week about North Korea, that their recent history suggested that they would do something provocative on April 15th, because it is a day of national celebration, as it is the birthday of the founder, and first leader of North Korea. Could it be that North Korea took the lead from their Islamic counterparts and have decided to engage in non-conventional warfare? Again, it is mere speculation, with no facts to back it up, but since it came to mind I thought I'd mention it. I seriously hope its not the case, we have too much other **** to worry about to have to throw those ****ers into the mix too.
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I don't know... I mean, they'd have to know we'd find out and and subsequently they'd be turned into a parking lot for China. If they wanted to commit suicide, they'd do it by launching as many nukes as they could.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I don't know... I mean, they'd have to know we'd find out and and subsequently they'd be turned into a parking lot for China. If they wanted to commit suicide, they'd do it by launching as many nukes as they could.
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Yeah, that is true. It probably just doesn't make sense. I'll stick with my original theory. Regarding some comments after my post about my feeling that it is domestic terrorism, I would lean towards a pizzed off at the government/anarchist type before a homegrown islamic terrorist. I think whoever they are, they were going for symbolism of it being both Patriot Day and tax day.
 
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Random thoughts:

Only two bombs. Set to blow in sequence, not simultaneously. That's what Eric Robert Rudolph did at the Atlanta abortion clinic. The idea is to kill first responders.

The death toll was minimized because of all the first responders who were there working the marathon. People who might have exsanguinated because of their injuries, were probably saved.

Cynthia McKinney blamed the Boston PD. Can anyone confirm ever seeing her and Alex Jones at the same time?

Once again, we wind up chasing will of the wisps. In LA it was the "lady in the polka dot dress" after the RFK shooting. In DC it was "white panel trucks" during the reign of terror by the sniper.

Pray for all the victims, but save a special prayer for the Richard family: 8-year old son dead, 6-year old sister loses a leg, mother suffers severe brain injury.

Apropos of nothing much, while hopping between news channels, I happened to land on Fox just as Shep Smith informed us that McVeigh, Nichols "and others" were responsible for the OkC bombing. Really? Has that been established? Full disclosure: I worked for a while in OkC, and many folks there absolutely believe in some sort of conspiracy. They just can't prove it. But then, they aren't high profile multi-millionaire TV anchors.

I've been flipping back and forth like Tevye, "on the other hand," "on the other hand" on the question of who is responsible. Nothing yet points conclusively toward Islamist terrorism (foreign or domestic) or some home grown nutcake(s). When the responsible parties are found, I say warm up the wood chipper from "Fargo" and feed 'em into it feet first.
 
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I don't think the idea was to kill first responders. The two explosions were spaced apart by about as much as it would take to engage a timer or detonator. I'm thinking the perp acted alone or perhaps with one other person, dropped off the bags, and left. If he wanted to inflict maximum damage to first responders, he would have delayed the timers by minutes, not seconds.

At least that's my theory.
 
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Sounds like the third person killed was a grad student at BU.

Edit: This might be a fourth person...
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
I don't think the idea was to kill first responders. The two explosions were spaced apart by about as much as it would take to engage a timer or detonator. I'm thinking the perp acted alone or perhaps with one other person, dropped off the bags, and left. If he wanted to inflict maximum damage to first responders, he would have delayed the timers by minutes, not seconds.

At least that's my theory.
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Agreed. I was unclear that I was referring to Rudolph's motivations and not drawing any conclusions about the motivations of the Boston bomber(s). However, the fact that there were only two devices raises the possibility in my mind that we're only talking about one dude here. Eric Rudolph, Ted Hardname (the Unabomber), presidential friend Bill Ayers, etc.
 
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Second bomb thing... Yes two bombs have been times to kill first responders but its more like 10 minutes than 10 seconds. Responders would have to respond.

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I think McVeigh, et.al. Is a subject to avoid here... I recall the local reporters weren't at all convinced that those they arrested were the only ones involved and others, iirc, have tried to link that up wish the Indonesian(?) AQs who were involved in the Bojinka plot (iirc). I recall one of the reporters still believes something along those lines to this day based on evidence.

I don't recall anybody denying the guilt of McVeigh and Nichols
 
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St. Clown said:
And that's a swing and a miss from FD08.
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Surely you understand the meanings behind smileys... I didn't think this board could be filled with dummies, after all people like Grover and u-no-fan could just be sour apples, but I'm starting to reconsider... -_-
 
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Patman said:
Second bomb thing... Yes two bombs have been times to kill first responders but its more like 10 minutes than 10 seconds. Responders would have to respond.

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I think McVeigh, et.al. Is a subject to avoid here... I recall the local reporters weren't at all convinced that those they arrested were the only ones involved and others, iirc, have tried to link that up wish the Indonesian(?) AQs who were involved in the Bojinka plot (iirc). I recall one of the reporters still believes something along those lines to this day based on evidence.
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You're free to stay away from what you like. I made a comment about something I'd seen. And given the millions of dollars and man hours spent investigating that incident we have one dude executed and another serving a life term. No credible, repeat, credible evidence that it was a larger plot. Reporters, free lance conspiracy buffs, whoever, are free to investigate 'till their t*ts drop off. Shep Smith isn't a reporter. He's an anchor. And he should keep his personal opinions about what transpired in OkC to himself. Especially since they have no bearing on what happened in Boston. I know some of those reporters you're referring to. And on this subject, some of them, IMO have taken leave of their senses. Just like conspiracy theorists everywhere do every day.

Nobody, but you, has brought up the subject of whether or not Nichols and McVeigh were "really" guilty. That's a total straw man argument. The afternoon talk show host for the entire time I was in OkC spent virtually all day, every day, yammering about various "conspiracies" involved both in the OkC bombing and the episode at Waco, which apparently motivated McVeigh. Day after dreary day of it. Feelings and suspicions aren't proof. Proof is proof. And no proof has been adduced that points to a wider conspiracy.
 
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