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Tier I & Tier II MA Girls's to Nationals?

Re: Tier I & Tier II MA Girls's to Nationals?


Let me give you the other side of the coin.

I was watching the U19 MA Spitfires demolish the opposing team. After the game was over, the gentleman (?) to my right booed the girls and was making really unsportman like comments. I had told him that it was not the girls choice, they were here to play a game. He "got off" on me telling me how much he spent to get there, what his team went through, the girls had a choice, the parents had a choice and the coach had a choice.

While this person and I were arguing, another parent from my daughters team, came in with a more moderate view but assented to the fact that whatever choice was made, the girls are just that, girls. They made a decision, whether bad or good, right or wrong, and would have to live with it. This discussion became more heated when a MA Spitfire mother accused me of unsportsman like conduct by yelling at the girls. I rarely make any comments directed towards the ice, but only towards officials on the ice. Never directed towards players. All "mom" noted is where the comments came from, but not who, so "I" was the designated bad guy. Two of us were arguing with the third, and "mom" came in the middle and gave me a hard time. "Mom's" husband finally took her out of the situation. I think that he "got it", and mom was defending her child and team. The person that was yelling the comments to the players is a horses rear, plain and simple.

Regardless of the outcome, all the girls played to their best level. It is just too bad that the tier I teams played in the tier II Nationals. The tier II teams had no chance. Sort of like having the NY Yankees play a little league team in their nationals. There was a definate difference between MA, TX, and the remainder of the teams (in the U19 division) in skill.

I was informed by a third party that the club was told that if they hadn't gone to Nats, there would be negative consequences for them next year. I do not know if that is true, but that is what the rumor was.

See yall next year
 
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"girlshockeyfan"....you are lost. The NJ Colonial u12 team that went to Nationals was a legit. Tier 2 team. Look at the scores...and to be honest, they were extremely lucky to do as well as they did [could have lost every game they played and were fortunate to get a bronze].

Be happy for Carl and the rest of the pompous crowd in Mass...you did a fine job of ruining a great event. Your day is coming...the rest of the country is catching you [just like what's happened with the boys...once upon a time, Mass ruled the country...not any more.
 
Re: Tier I & Tier II MA Girls's to Nationals?

Let me give you the other side of the coin.

I was watching the U19 MA Spitfires demolish the opposing team. After the game was over, the gentleman (?) to my right booed the girls and was making really unsportman like comments. I had told him that it was not the girls choice, they were here to play a game. He "got off" on me telling me how much he spent to get there, what his team went through, the girls had a choice, the parents had a choice and the coach had a choice.

While this person and I were arguing, another parent from my daughters team, came in with a more moderate view but assented to the fact that whatever choice was made, the girls are just that, girls. They made a decision, whether bad or good, right or wrong, and would have to live with it. This discussion became more heated when a MA Spitfire mother accused me of unsportsman like conduct by yelling at the girls. I rarely make any comments directed towards the ice, but only towards officials on the ice. Never directed towards players. All "mom" noted is where the comments came from, but not who, so "I" was the designated bad guy. Two of us were arguing with the third, and "mom" came in the middle and gave me a hard time. "Mom's" husband finally took her out of the situation. I think that he "got it", and mom was defending her child and team. The person that was yelling the comments to the players is a horses rear, plain and simple.

Regardless of the outcome, all the girls played to their best level. It is just too bad that the tier I teams played in the tier II Nationals. The tier II teams had no chance. Sort of like having the NY Yankees play a little league team in their nationals. There was a definate difference between MA, TX, and the remainder of the teams (in the U19 division) in skill.

I was informed by a third party that the club was told that if they hadn't gone to Nats, there would be negative consequences for them next year. I do not know if that is true, but that is what the rumor was.

See yall next year
One of the most reasonable and objective posts on this thread. I'm from Mass., but not affiliated with any of these Mass. teams. I understand a bit about how Mass. hockey politics work, and yes the programs would have been declared ineligible from participating in next year's State's if they did not comply with this outrageous rule set by Mass. Hockey.

Oh, and for the record, Mass has not ruled the girls hockey world for several years. Minnesota clearly owns that title, though it pains me to admit it.

The situation sucked, and it wasn't right, but the individuals who showed up in Michigan were nothing more than good soldiers obeying a very poor set of orders.

Thanks for the post, Calhockey..... sorry for your experience, both your team and you personally in the stands, but power to you for seeing it for what it was.
 
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Your day is coming...the rest of the country is catching you [just like what's happened with the boys...once upon a time, Mass ruled the country...not any more.
You know, I've been thinking about this post for the last couple of days, realizing how incredibly incorrect it was but also facing a deep conundrum over whether to legitimize this arrogant whiney poster with a response. Since my response is fact based, I figured sure....why not!

Mass. does not rule the country in hockey. Take a look at the roster of the US Olympic team for starters. Then look at the respective rosters of the U22 team and the U18 team. Are there representatives? Sure! But many more from the rest of the country especially from Minnesota which is the real ruling class of women's hockey. You can even look at the rosters of the four teams in the frozen four. Of course, based on your posts in the American-Canadian thread you'll be annoyed to notice that about half of the participants of the frozen four were from Canada or Europe, but out of the remaining US players you'll find only two from all of New England meanwhile there are a plethora from Minnesota.

Do your homework. Oh, and.... I DARE you to post something positive and funny once in a while. Try smiling, it feels good sometimes! :D
 
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Well, Mass may not control hockey, but let's be honest....they are pretty close to it! Because Minn doesn't send u12 and u14 tier 1 teams, Mass gets to send 2 to Nationals. And the u12 "tier 2" Mass team, Bay State Breakers (which of course won the tier 2 tournament) had previously won the CT POlar Bear AA bracket. The u12 East Coast Wizards (good job Paul!) won the tier 1 tournament, but one could surmise that between ECW, Assabet and BSB, they could have placed 1-2-3 at Nationals tier 1 if they were all there!
 
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Live4Hockey.....at least YOU get it.

Look at the USA Hockey Nationals results for the past 10 years or so.....Hard not to figure out that Mass teams rule the roost...but that is starting to change. And, using my example in Boys hockey, if you go back far enough, you will remember the days when Mass hockey was "it" and now you have kids all over the country [California, Florida, NJ, TX] with talent...and Mass has slipped.
 
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To NJCPolarBear:

It is you who is the pompous idiot and a cry baby as well. Carl has nothing to do with the decisions of Mass hockey. Don Moore (who has moved on) is the one responsible for the decision. NOT CARL! Your daughter's team lost, get over it!
I agree the rest of the country may be catching up, and I also agree with Ice that it is Minnesota who is the top dog in women's hockey. I even hope your daughter's team catches up enough so that when and if they lose a game you will NOT feel like there is someone else to blame. Like Carl!
 
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Re: Tier I & Tier II MA Girls's to Nationals?

Live4Hockey.....at least YOU get it.

Look at the USA Hockey Nationals results for the past 10 years or so.....Hard not to figure out that Mass teams rule the roost...but that is starting to change. And, using my example in Boys hockey, if you go back far enough, you will remember the days when Mass hockey was "it" and now you have kids all over the country [California, Florida, NJ, TX] with talent...and Mass has slipped.

Well, I am not sure they are slipping, but I do think that based on sheer numbers alone Mass dominates. However, there are pockets that are coming along nicely. But, I don't think that Mass or Minn are in danger of losing their girls' hockey dominance anytime soon. Mass did win all the tier 2 championships (granted with Tier 1 teams), but all those teams could have done very well at tier 1 nationals. And, u12s tier 1 was won by a Mass team (just not Assabet), u14s a Mass team was in finals, u16s a Mass team was in semis (and if the 2 best 93s from Mass weren't playing u19, they probl would have done better at u16s), and the u19s tier 1 was won by a Mass team. Even though they didn't win at every level, they are still comparatively "dominant" to the other districts.

I have only watched youth and girls' hockey for about 10 years or so and have been to at least 5 girls Nationals. I just found this page recently so that shows you what I know about the ins and outs of college hockey and only watched my first women's hockey game this past year and watched the natl championship on tv (pretty sure that is the only women's game I have ever known to be on TV but that's anohter subject). I would watch more but instead watch nhl network day in/day out. LOL As my name suggests we LIVE4HOCKEY in our house!
 
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Hey UConn...FYI my daughter's team didn't loose to the Tier 1 sandbaggers playing at Tier 2 Nationals. But nice try.

Does UConn even have a hockey team? Better stick to Basketball, lady.
 
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Does UConn even have a hockey team? Better stick to Basketball, lady.

Excuse me????

I'll take it from here... No disparaging UConn....

Connecticut UConn Husky, symbol of might to the foe.
Fight, fight Connecticut, It's vict'ry, Let's go.
Connecticut UConn Husky,
Do it again for the White and Blue
So go--go--go Connecticut, Connecticut U.
C-O-N-N-E-C-T-I-C-U-T
Connecticut, Conneticut Husky, Connecticut Husky
Connecticut C-O-N-N-U!
 
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wrong venue, lady.

p.s. UConn Husky?....great nickname....if you're from the Yukon I suppose...oh, well, very original. UConn Muskrats must already have been taken.
 
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NJCPolarBear has much to learn. My suggestions are as follows:

1. Do your homework before you post. Yes, UConn has a very good women's hockey team who I believe finished a mere 9th, and just outside the top eight for Divison 1 playoffs. A win in their last game would have clinched a quarterfinal birth. Not only that, but they will be even better next year.

I try to do my homework before I post, despite being among one of the most sarcastic and silly sons of *itches on here, but at last count I think I've only been wrong three times in over 800 posts. :p

2. You have a right to be upset at the way the Tier II tournament played out, but you need to point your blame in the right direction. As has been pointed out a couple of times, it wasn't Carl and it most certainly wasn't the individual players or coaches.

3. Build credibility for yourself by at least occasionally making rational constructive posts, or at least say something clever and funny if you can't provide anything of substance!

4. Finally, as I think about the advice I've given you, tell your daughter to take up figure skating. The subjective nature of that sport will provide you with enough talking points to whine about to last a lifetime!

To my pals out here, my heart was in the right place when I first started this post....but........AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!
 
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Re: Tier I & Tier II MA Girls's to Nationals?

I try to do my homework before I post, despite being among one of the most sarcastic and silly sons of *itches on here, but at last count I think I've only been wrong three times in over 800 posts. :p

That often? Who's counting? ;)

To my pals out here, my heart was in the right place when I first started this post....but........AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!

We all know that by now. It's OK. Primal scream therapy is very therapeutic. :D
 
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OMG!! It came to me....out of nowhere!!!

I just woke out of a sound night's sleep because I finally figured out who NJCPolarBear is!

I should have known it all along!

SHE'S Digit!!!!
 
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To my pals out here, my heart was in the right place when I first started this post....but........AAAAAARRRRRRRRGGGGGHHHHHHH!

The ending was.....Priceless.....One of your Pals. ;)
 
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OMG!! It came to me....out of nowhere!!!

I just woke out of a sound night's sleep because I finally figured out who NJCPolarBear is!

I should have known it all along!

SHE'S Digit!!!!

I dunno..... Based on his/her knowledge of UCONN...Maybe he/she may not even know who Digit is.....

On the other hand, maybe we should treat NJC to a Cookie. :D :D :D
 
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"girlshockeyfan"....you are lost. The NJ Colonial u12 team that went to Nationals was a legit. Tier 2 team. Look at the scores...and to be honest, they were extremely lucky to do as well as they did [could have lost every game they played and were fortunate to get a bronze].

Be happy for Carl and the rest of the pompous crowd in Mass...you did a fine job of ruining a great event. Your day is coming...the rest of the country is catching you [just like what's happened with the boys...once upon a time, Mass ruled the country...not any more.

Do you mean back far enough to the past 3 men’s NCAA championships… BC, BU, BC? Or the past 10 that have going to MN or WI on the women’s side?

But then again, tier 2 youth hockey is probably a better indicator of what teams “rule the roost” on a National scale.
 
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OMG!! It came to me....out of nowhere!!!

I just woke out of a sound night's sleep because I finally figured out who NJCPolarBear is!

I should have known it all along!

SHE'S Digit!!!!

Bitterness, spite and irrationality ... I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it was Digit.
 
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Bitterness, spite and irrationality ... I wouldn’t be the least bit surprised if it was Digit.

NJC doesn't like Canadians in the college game -- so can't be. Rants about Canadian taking advantage of the US medical system reinforce lack of perception of facts.I have a feeling Brown wouldn't hire someone like that. Really except for a few politicians/bigwigs how many Canadians can afford to pay. Anyhow Canadians can only afford their prescription drugs as so many Americans are also choosing to do.
 
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