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Thoughts on a New England invitational

Re: Thoughts on a New England invitational

J.D. said:
please feel free to keep BC out of this, fine by me!

didn't there used to be an annual tourney that maine, unh and uvm competed in? governor's cup?
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I would actually like to see that come back, throw in UMA or UML to round it out.
 
dillon said:
With all due respect, outdoor hockey has been greaqtly overdone, both in college and the NHL. The novelty is over. The sightlines are terrible for the fans who go, the ice condittions can be terrible, and I don't think it televises well. Did you see the games at Fenway this year. 9 people showed up and either froze or sat through rain delays.
Keep it indoors and try to draw 10-12,000 fans at Boston. prov, worcester, bridgeport, hartford, etc
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this would be a good option for y'all who were forced to schedule conference teams as ooc games this year.

i'm not sure if boston garden would have dates for a weekend for it. but if you're able to rotate hartford/portland/manchester/providence/worcester/springfield - a nice sized arena and have a host to anchor each year it would work in cities where you have hotels and places around to go out and create an atmosphere in the town. there are also ecac/ivy teams that could come in and participate as well that would be neat to see.
 
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My thoughts... my understanding is that GLI did horrible outdoors, but the tournament has lost a bit of its cache. Outdoor games themselves have been done to death... sadly, predictably so. I have no faith in Fenway Park to act in the best interests of hockey in case of weather.

I'd prefer a one-day festival style event at Boston Garden long before a GLI style tournament and an outdoor tournament at that.
 
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I'm not sure I follow you Hux. I understand the Governor's Cup aspect, but would rather have it regionally.
 
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In terms of New England State schools, currently four of them (UML, UVM, UNH, Maine) are in America East for all other sports. If a New England State school Invitational were to happen that would seem to be a very easy way for it to happen.

Not sure how you could do a Governors Cup for all the state schools in College hockey... Do you pick just one Minnesota state school each year? one Michigan School?
 
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UML Puck Hawk said:
In terms of New England State schools, currently four of them (UML, UVM, UNH, Maine) are in America East for all other sports. If a New England State school Invitational were to happen that would seem to be a very easy way for it to happen.

Not sure how you could do a Governors Cup for all the state schools in College hockey... Do you pick just one Minnesota state school each year? one Michigan School?
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invite tournament... the two or three in charge solicit opponents and away we go
 
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Patman said:
invite tournament... the two or three in charge solicit opponents and away we go
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I don't think it would draw as well or take hold as well. If the tournament was held in a central location... say Manchester it would be an easy trip for UNH/UMO/UVM/UML for example and should be an attendance success with even a minor amount of marketing.

By my count there are 13 (but it still early) possible states that could be represented, some by more then one team. If you chose to rotate or "invite" that many teams it would dilute the possible match ups and prevent rivalries from developing. The only way I see this working would be to take 12 and make a true tourney out of it. Single elimination over two weekends (top 4 from previous year get a bye, bottom 4 play middle 4 on Friday, final 8 play on Saturday and the following weekend the top 4 hash it out) but I don't think you could get teams to sign on for it. Although considering the new realignments have created a lot more OOC games it could work but I doubt this would happen

Either way, part of what makes the Beanpot is that it is the same 4 schools and as such the tourney takes on more importance then if the teams just played it every 3 or 4 years. It wouldn't be a big deal. But if you have the same 4 every year it becomes a mark on the calender that gets a little added importance. I think the 4 New England state schools would be more likely to happen...
 
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So, would it be the flagship university or the satellite university for Massachusetts?
 
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FiveHole12 said:
So, would it be the flagship university or the satellite university for Massachusetts?
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Unfortunately UMass Lowell's satellite campus in Haverhill has not yet requested use of the local rink, but even so I expect they could pick up 6 kids off the street and they would be competitive with Amherst.
 
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As Mookie stated prior, this works with schools that can't fill their ooc schedule and are forced to already schedule Conf foes instead of another exhibition. ie youse guys.

And stop with the "two weekend single elimination crap". Teams want their full schedule set. Nobody gonna lose and then miss a game or two. So stop.

The Midwest state schools have nn problem getting anyone they want to come visit.

And stop with the "state" Tournament cause while Lowell is the best team in that bunch, if there is such a gov cup the officials who Control budgets are goin push Umass. Sorry.
 
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mookie1995 said:
As Mookie stated prior, this works with schools that can't fill their ooc schedule and are forced to already schedule Conf foes instead of another exhibition. ie youse guys.

And stop with the "two weekend single elimination crap". Teams want their full schedule set. Nobody gonna lose and then miss a game or two. So stop.

The Midwest state schools have nn problem getting anyone they want to come visit.

And stop with the "state" Tournament cause while Lowell is the best team in that bunch, if there is such a gov cup the officials who Control budgets are goin push Umass. Sorry.
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On the sauce already today huh? So stop.
 
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This topic reminded me of the old Teapot tournament. Anyone remember that one? I think it was like a Beanpot for D2 schools back in either the late 70s or early 80s. Lowell was one team and I think Merrimack was another. Possibly Salem State too. Who was the other?
 
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16 proposed schools:Yale, Q'piac, Brown, Dartmouth, UConn, Maine, Vermont, Providence, Unh, Umass, Uml, Harvard, Northeastern, Bu, Bc, and Merrimack
 
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jcarter7669 said:
I don't think it would draw as well or take hold as well. If the tournament was held in a central location... say Manchester it would be an easy trip for UNH/UMO/UVM/UML for example and should be an attendance success with even a minor amount of marketing.

By my count there are 13 (but it still early) possible states that could be represented, some by more then one team. If you chose to rotate or "invite" that many teams it would dilute the possible match ups and prevent rivalries from developing. The only way I see this working would be to take 12 and make a true tourney out of it. Single elimination over two weekends (top 4 from previous year get a bye, bottom 4 play middle 4 on Friday, final 8 play on Saturday and the following weekend the top 4 hash it out) but I don't think you could get teams to sign on for it. Although considering the new realignments have created a lot more OOC games it could work but I doubt this would happen

Either way, part of what makes the Beanpot is that it is the same 4 schools and as such the tourney takes on more importance then if the teams just played it every 3 or 4 years. It wouldn't be a big deal. But if you have the same 4 every year it becomes a mark on the calender that gets a little added importance. I think the 4 New England state schools would be more likely to happen...
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Its a bad idea with no inherent draw. You aren't going to recapture magic so why try?
 
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with the choice of 'winning team gets to defend' you would have to hold this in the fall, early. teams that didn't win would have to have time to schedule 2 games for the next season as soon as possible.
 
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I know this probably won't work, but make it a 16 team tournament with the schools I listed. Like a mini ncaa tournament. The Beanpot could be one quarter. Then put UNH, Dartmouth, Maine, and Vermont together. Quinnipiac, Yale, Uconn, and UMASS together. Leaving Providence, Brown, Merrimack, and Lowell.
 
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FiveHole12 said:
So, would it be the flagship university or the satellite university for Massachusetts?
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lol, FiveHole12, you are very inflammatory ..............................delete this thread, IMO. We are all set. Boston is provincial, that's why the Beanpot is so successful and for the same reason, why this would never work
 
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