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The States: Where We Wish Texas Would Secede Already

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rufus said:
This is where you are so wrong. Every Democrat is on board with Joe Biden's agenda. Except two.

And you're saying we need to placate those two. Manchin isn't fighting the progressives. He's fighting the entire party, including his president.
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And he will win. Because he has the entire other party on his side and the backing of 90% of his state.
 
rufus said:
This is where you are so wrong. Every Democrat is on board with Joe Biden's agenda. Except two.

And you're saying we need to placate those two. Manchin isn't fighting the progressives. He's fighting the entire party, including his president.
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What is the alternative? They can't force them to do the right thing. By the time Sinema is up for re-election it is all academic anyways. I am all for forcing their hands but neither has any qualms about making themselves look like fools and DINOs in real time.

And I guarantee if those two weren't blocking it someone else like Tester likely would.

The Progressives completely miscalculated the Infrastructure fight and it likely cost The Dems any shot to do anything meaningful and all but killed Biden's presidency. They should have voted on the Bipartisan deal and given Manchin his headline. Then Reconciliation happens and the Dems have something to tout. Now it is too late, they likely pass what needs to be passed but the die has already been cast. They made themselves look like ineffectual leaders. They now have a year to get everything done they can cause a year from now when the House flips they lose it all.

Which also means you likely can kiss the effectiveness of the 1/6 Commission goodbye. The Trump contingent will stall it out a year easily and never testify. Garland just got saved from having to maybe actually make a decision.
 
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Handyman said:
What is the alternative? They can't force them to do the right thing. By the time Sinema is up for re-election it is all academic anyways. I am all for forcing their hands but neither has any qualms about making themselves look like fools and DINOs in real time.

And I guarantee if those two weren't blocking it someone else like Tester likely would.

The Progressives completely miscalculated the Infrastructure fight and it likely cost The Dems any shot to do anything meaningful and all but killed Biden's presidency. They should have voted on the Bipartisan deal and given Manchin his headline. Then Reconciliation happens and the Dems have something to tout. Now it is too late, they likely pass what needs to be passed but the die has already been cast. They made themselves look like ineffectual leaders. They now have a year to get everything done they can cause a year from now when the House flips they lose it all.

Which also means you likely can kiss the effectiveness of the 1/6 Commission goodbye. The Trump contingent will stall it out a year easily and never testify. Garland just got saved from having to maybe actually make a decision.
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Commission will be replaced by fauci trials, if he’s not killed before
 
The problem for Democrats is twofold: unlike Rethuglicans many of them think for themselves which means it will be rare when they are lock stop in agreement. The other is the Bernie Bros get too much attention to the point every conservative is convinced we are the next China if the Democrats had their way.

How you solve for that is above my pay grade, but those are the hurdles that must be overcome unless the younger generation is truly skewing more and more left. The country however may cease to exist by then.
 
The irony of it is that the Republican vision of America is much closer to modern China (indoctrinated racism & xenophobia, state capitalism that socializes losses, few-to-no laws that protect the environment or consumers, limited voting rights, women as property, etc.) than the Sanders vision.
 
Republican Socialism? Good. Not even called "socialism" even though it fits the definition. Democratic Socialism? Bad. Even though it does not fit the definition.
 
Slap Shot said:
How you solve for that is above my pay grade, but those are the hurdles that must be overcome unless the younger generation is truly skewing more and more left. The country however may cease to exist by then.
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I don't think they are, at least not to a level any greater than is normal. There's still plenty of bitterness, rage, and media-stoked fear in the "mediocre white male under 35" demo.
 
Yeah the under 35s may be liberal but not in larger numbers than expected.

The problemproblem Boomers won't die so we can cycle past the 1950s nostalgia.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
I don't think they are, at least not to a level any greater than is normal. There's still plenty of bitterness, rage, and media-stoked fear in the "mediocre white male under 35" demo.
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The bad part of the recent triumph of Nazis is white females are the problem. White males are useless, obviously. But white females should, if nothing else, be voting to keep from becoming chattel property.
 
Kepler said:
The bad part of the recent triumph of Nazis is white females are the problem. White males are useless, obviously. But white females should, if nothing else, be voting to keep from becoming chattel property.
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Quite a few want to be chattel because they have been conditioned to believe that is their role either by religion, family or likely both.
 
I was in Cavalier, ND, today. It’s becoming clearer why the Sicatoka is so fucked up. We make jokes about the land being so flat up there, but it really does a number on your head. From a few miles before coming to the I-29 entrance I could see a grain drier doing its thing, chugging up its exhaust, to the south, towards Grand Forks. It was a little more than 15 fucking miles south of the road I was driving. Highway 81 was exit 203, that thing was just north of exit 187. (Their exit ramp numbers correspond to the highway’s mile markers.) That thing wasn’t on a hill. I wasn’t elevated on a hill. There are NO HILLS. That shit does something to you. It’s going to mess with your head, make you lose perspective on things. That poor man.
 
St. Clown said:
Their exit ramp numbers correspond to the highway's mile markers.
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They do this all over the West and it is SO superior a system. I've seen it make inroads (nyuck nyuck) in the East now. It's just forks > chop sticks level better.
 
St. Clown said:
I was in Cavalier, ND, today. It’s becoming clearer why the Sicatoka is so fucked up. We make jokes about the land being so flat up there, but it really does a number on your head. From a few miles before coming to the I-29 entrance I could see a grain drier doing its thing, chugging up its exhaust, to the south, towards Grand Forks. It was a little more than 15 fucking miles south of the road I was driving. Highway 81 was exit 203, that thing was just north of exit 187. (Their exit ramp numbers correspond to the highway’s mile markers.) That thing wasn’t on a hill. I wasn’t elevated on a hill. There are NO HILLS. That **** does something to you. It’s going to mess with your head, make you lose perspective on things. That poor man.
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My insane parents took their 3 kids (under 10) on a road trip from Tennessee to California and back. Twice. Since this was before screens, they did everything they could to keep us entertained. When we were in North Dakota, we had pulled over to the side of the road for a picnic lunch, and the discussion turned to just how far away the tree was. Yes, THE tree that we could see off in the distance. I think the high guess was about 8 or 10 miles. We started driving, watching the odometer like hawks. It was 27 miles to that fucker. I will never forget that - we just could not believe how flat…and desolate…it was.
 
Kepler said:
They do this all over the West and it is SO superior a system. I've seen it make inroads (nyuck nyuck) in the East now. It's just forks > chop sticks level better.
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Yep. New Hampshire finally switched over to exit=mile marker while I was at Dartmouth. And that was almost 20 years ago. I can't believe it took that long.
 
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