The States : red states in a race to the bottom

[Jimjamesak]

NY is going to do it too...and the SC is going nowhere near any of that.

But yes this is all very dangerous stuff.

The Supreme Court will do what they’re told by their owners. Can’t have people challenging Dear Leader’s power.

 

[Handyman]

Dear Leader doesn't need them...Dear Leader will just start the War and deny the results.

Don't overthink it...the SC is cucked already and gave him all the power he needs to end all of this.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Dear Leader doesn't need them...Dear Leader will just start the War and deny the results.

Don't overthink it...the SC is cucked already and gave him all the power he needs to end all of this.

Problem is Dump doesn’t have the ability to deny results if Congress actually has people willing to assert Congress’ power. If the fascists just blatantly ignore results they give the opposition legitimacy.

 

[Handyman]

Problem is Dump doesn’t have the ability to deny results if Congress actually has people willing to assert Congress’ power. If the fascists just blatantly ignore results they give the opposition legitimacy.

Who in Congress is willing to do that? And remember even if the Dems win the Midterms they won't be seated in time to stop the ruling GOP from saying they don't believe it is on the up and up. And they are shameless enough that they will do it openly.

No one cares about "legitimacy" they care about what they are told. No one is going to do enough critical thinking to see the truth...Trump proved that last year. Hell he is proving it right now where even Dems like Wes Moore are admitting crime is an issue even though crime numbers are at their lowest since I was in HS. Sure he says that using the military is wrong but even giving an inch kills the argument. The Dems dont have the balls to fight and the GOP is ready for the Totalitarianism.

Texas will redistrict, California and New York will as well** and both sides will fight and look stupid and the rest of the country will basically tune out. Then even when the Dems take the House back Trump will declare it illegitimate, the GOP in Congress will agree and by New Years the Legislature for all intents and purposes will be dead. Hell the Dems will likely walk out. And I dont care if there is 10000 guardrails and rules that say it can't be done, it will be if he wants it.

The Supreme Court doesn't matter...they made sure they dont.

**I say the odds are approaching even money he will declare Martial Law in DC, LA and NYC as soon as they take steps towards redistricting saying it is sedition.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Who in Congress is willing to do that? And remember even if the Dems win the Midterms they won't be seated in time to stop the ruling GOP from saying they don't believe it is on the up and up. And they are shameless enough that they will do it openly.

No one cares about "legitimacy" they care about what they are told. No one is going to do enough critical thinking to see the truth...Trump proved that last year. Hell he is proving it right now where even Dems like Wes Moore are admitting crime is an issue even though crime numbers are at their lowest since I was in HS. Sure he says that using the military is wrong but even giving an inch kills the argument. The Dems dont have the balls to fight and the GOP is ready for the Totalitarianism.

Texas will redistrict, California and New York will as well** and both sides will fight and look stupid and the rest of the country will basically tune out. Then even when the Dems take the House back Trump will declare it illegitimate, the GOP in Congress will agree and by New Years the Legislature for all intents and purposes will be dead. Hell the Dems will likely walk out. And I dont care if there is 10000 guardrails and rules that say it can't be done, it will be if he wants it.

The Supreme Court doesn't matter...they made sure they dont.

**I say the odds are approaching even money he will declare Martial Law in DC, LA and NYC as soon as they take steps towards redistricting saying it is sedition.

Legitimacy matters if you're going to use force against opposition in your own country. If your opposition has any shred of legitimacy in the eyes of the world then they never go away.

If the Dems take back the House and Dump and the GOP refuse to recognize it, the Dems can still have a legitimate claim to the House and Government in the eyes of the world. If everything goes to shit and civil war kicks off, it's far easier to gain support from other countries if you have a legitimate claim to governance. That was one of the biggest flaws for the Confederacy, they never had a legitimate claim to governance and never gained official support. If the Dems walk out and form basically a rump, opposition Congress and Government, they will have the ability to raise a military and garner support from other nations far more easily than if they didn't have any claim to legitimacy.

The GOP needs at least a paper thin veneer of legitimacy if they truly want to get away with their BS.

 

[Handyman]

The eyes of the world don't matter...they wont get involved. They have seen this game before they will let us eat each other alive while condemning him but nothing will change. Just like they don't lift a finger in any despotic situation. The GOP knows this just like they know half the citizens here wont care as long as they can live their life.

The GOP doesn't need legitimacy because they don't care and they know no one will stop them.

What legitimacy does Israel have over Gaza? How is the world helping there?

We are on our own until the war spills beyond our borders. Once the GOP goes after Mexico or Canada then other countries will care.

 

[Jimjamesak]

The eyes of the world don't matter...they wont get involved. They have seen this game before they will let us eat each other alive while condemning him but nothing will change. Just like they don't lift a finger in any despotic situation. The GOP knows this just like they know half the citizens here wont care as long as they can live their life.

The GOP doesn't need legitimacy because they don't care and they know no one will stop them.

What legitimacy does Israel have over Gaza? How is the world helping there?

We are on our own until the war spills beyond our borders. Once the GOP goes after Mexico or Canada then other countries will care.

This isn’t 1860 where we were a backwater country, it’s 2025 and we are the preeminent Superpower in the world. With Nukes. Other countries will want to be involved, not in the fighting itself granted. We will be fighting alone, but logistically we wouldn’t be.

This wouldn’t be like Yugoslavia in 1992, it’d be closer to Austria-Hungary breaking up in 1860.

Yes, the GOP doesn’t care about legitimacy, their stupidity has always been their Achilles heel.

 

[Handyman]

Bluesky

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I fully support this for Florida!

 

[Kepler]

"Cyanide in milk approved for church picnics."

 

[MissThundercat]

Bluesky

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I fully support this for Florida!

Give a nice glass to DeathSantis!

 

[Kepler]

Handy where does your new avatar come from?

 

[Handyman]

Handy where does your new avatar come from?

Someone on Bluesky made it in response to Maron being everywhere these days mocking chuds like Rogan and Theo Vonn. I think he said this line on Howie Mandel's podcast and someone responded with it

 

[Slap Shot]

To Theo's modest credit he just had an American doctor on as a guest that was recounting stories of the horrors of wounded he was treating while there, in which Theo fully agreed what is happening in Gaza is genocide. Not trying to wash over the overall product so don't spaz on the observation. I don't watch his podcast it was something I saw on IG I think.

 

[Handyman]

To Theo's modest credit he just had an American doctor on as a guest in which he agreed what is happening in Gaza is genocide. Not trying to wash over the overall product so don't spaz on the observation.

Theo flips on that issue every day. One day he cries cause Palestinians die and the next he is full hog into supporting Israel. The guy is (an admitted) phucking idiot.

But, he is a pretty good analog of the average voter these days. He is empty headed and lets himself get red pilled on various subjects. That seems to be the new podcast persona as the Right is filled with the "I am dumb so I just ask questions" crowd. That is why Maron's impression of him on his latest special is spot on. I cut Vonn slack because he is an actual airhead...guys like Andrew Shulz and some of the others are purposefully ignoring information so they can claim stupidity when they platform evil. Then they get testy when people question their integrity.

 

[Kepler]

Someone on Bluesky made it in response to Maron being everywhere these days mocking chuds like Rogan and Theo Vonn. I think he said this line on Howie Mandel's podcast and someone responded with it

Thanks. I didn't know it was Maron, I have only heard him. Not at all what I imagined he would look like!

I had not heard of Theo Vonn. I guess I have the Old.

 

[walrus]

A Maine politician sent Canadians an unprompted offer to join the US

Sen. Joe Martin, R-Rumford, said that for “millions of people currently frustrated by central authority, moral decay, and bureaucratic suffocation reward is liberty.”

www.bangordailynews.com

Behind a pay wall but some idiot R senator(joe Martin) from Maine legislature sent a letter to western Provinces in Canada inviting them to join the US.

Day posted Aug. 6 to Facebook an open response to Martin’s letter that said it “reads like a recruitment brochure for a political ideology,” and Day told Martin “you are operating well outside of your lane sir, so allow me to operate well outside of mine.”

Day took offense to several parts of Martin’s letter, including the Maine senator’s reference to “Canadian political baggage” and how the provinces becoming states would feature no “British monarchism, no bilingual federal documents [and] no imported bureaucracies.”

If the provinces became U.S. states, Martin also wrote that for “millions of people currently frustrated by central authority, moral decay, and bureaucratic suffocation, that reward is liberty.”

Day told Martin he holds “deep respect” for the U.S. and its citizens, but the Canadian lawmaker said the letter “lands more as a manifesto of arrogance.”

“Your letter is a perfect example of what many Canadians find so deeply troubling about the American worldview — assuming that what works for you must be the solution for everyone else,” Day added.

“All the best in the hard work you have ahead of yourselves down there, and I’m sorry for the strong language,” Day said.

 

[Kepler]

This wouldn’t be like Yugoslavia in 1992, it’d be closer to Austria-Hungary breaking up in 1860.

Or it's something new. There are studies that support the thesis that rural-urban civil conflict is more likely and more intense the more isolated the urban areas are. So, a unique urban concentration in a rural void like London in the 17th century and Paris in the 18th is a recipe for inter-regional conflict even to open warfare.

The US OTOH is not like that. We have a large number of large cities networked together. We are like Germany and (to a lesser extent) Russia in the 19th and 20th centuries. You can't "surround" urban America. This make a coercive assault on urban power centers logistically impossible. The solution is to do it through law and paramilitary means, like Dump is trying now. Building occupying fortresses in each city from which authoritarian shock troops can issue out, maim and kill, and then retreat back to safety, is how the Nazis and Soviets projected power over a domain of diverse cities. But that isn't revolution, it's how you keep control having established it.

 

[Kepler]

The relative degree of primacy of cities within a nation is on this list.

Largest countries:

13 Thailand <-- significant political unrest
10 Ethiopia <-- basically in a civil war
7 DRC <-- "significant political instability"
6 France
4 Nigeria
4 Bangladesh
4 Mexico
4 Egypt
4 Philippines
4 Iran
4 UK
3 Indonesia
3 Turkey
2 Russia
< 2 India
< 2 US
< 2 China
< 2 Pakistan
< 2 Brazil
< 2 Japan
< 2 Vietnam
< 2 Germany

 

[Jimjamesak]

Or it's something new. There are studies that support the thesis that rural-urban civil conflict is more likely and more intense the more isolated the urban areas are. So, a unique urban concentration in a rural void like London in the 17th century and Paris in the 18th is a recipe for inter-regional conflict even to open warfare.

The US OTOH is not like that. We have a large number of large cities networked together. We are like Germany and (to a lesser extent) Russia in the 19th and 20th centuries. You can't "surround" urban America. This make a coercive assault on urban power centers logistically impossible. The solution is to do it through law and paramilitary means, like Dump is trying now. Building occupying fortresses in each city from which authoritarian shock troops can issue out, maim and kill, and then retreat back to safety, is how the Nazis and Soviets projected power over a domain of diverse cities. But that isn't revolution, it's how you keep control having established it.

Dump and co. aren't projecting power, they're projecting their own ineptitude. Watch the videos from DC and LA, just a bunch of uninterested dudes being heckled and yelled at by the actual residents.

 

[Slap Shot]

Theo flips on that issue every day. One day he cries cause Palestinians die and the next he is full hog into supporting Israel. The guy is (an admitted) phucking idiot.

He very well might. I don't watch him enough to know. I only caught the clip I referenced but also knew that he was a target of Maron (love that special) which is why I clarified. I just meant it's always good when even a bro-comedian speaks out because the hope is the message will spread.