The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy

[joecct]

Plus, somebody with a fuel efficient car will wind up with the same tax as the microphallic a-hole with the F-250 if they drive the same distance.

Each vehicle chews up the road. Now if you want to factor in vehicle weight * miles driven, then we could have something.

 

[aparch]

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One of the issues I outlined earlier was that I live one mile from the Tollway. I travel 28 miles one way on the Tollway to work. My office is located three miles from the tollway.
Round trip is: Eight miles on IDOT, County, or local municipal maintained roads, and 56 miles on the Tollway per work day.

235(ish) working days x 64 miles = 15040 / 20 mi/gal (estimate) = 752 gallons of gas. State of Illinois gas tax is $0.19 per gallon (not including the City of Chicago and/or local county markups of $0.11). = $142.88 in taxes each year I already pay.

This doesn't even begin to touch any additional mileage I drive after work, on weekends, or vacations.

Under the new plan, I would continue to pay $142.88 in the gas tax at the pump, and now an additional tax of $0.015 charged per mile driven. The base plan assumes I drive 30,000/year, and would charge me $450.00 a year, deducting the $142.88 (or more) I have already paid based on mileage.

The Illinois Tollway receives ZERO funding from the Illinois gas tax. I already pay the tollway $3.00 per working day to use their stretch of highway. 235 days x $3 day = $705/year.



You know what? Forget this whole mileage tax. Turn these roads into Tollways.

 

[MissThundercat]

"Minnesota, just like Michigan but way better."

Also, my dad and other Fundies in my news feed are supporting these bathroom bills, with cries of "think of the women and children!"

I've told my dad and these people to just admit they think gay and trans people are icky.

 

[joecct]

Also, my dad and other Fundies in my news feed are supporting these bathroom bills, with cries of "think of the women and children!"

I've told my dad and these people to just admit they think gay and trans people are icky.

Put yourself in their shoes and try to understand their concerns. If you had a daughter (teenage or younger) and a person with a talkywacker walks into the rest room she's in, you'd be ok?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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Probably. As long as he wasn't helicoptering in the open.

 

[Handyman]

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Put yourself in their shoes and try to understand their concerns. If you had a daughter (teenage or younger) and a person with a talkywacker walks into the rest room she's in, you'd be ok?

Yes I would be fine. What exactly do you think the person is going to do? These "concerns" seem similar to the BS "concerns" parents gave to why Gays shouldnt lead Cub Scout troops or be teachers.

And please remember, most public bathrooms arent locked, so theoretically at any point when your daughter is in one a dude could just walk in.

 

[Rover]

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Doesn't setting up a unisex bathroom with a locking door solve all the problems? Similar to how some stores have a dedicated family bathroom separate from the mens and women's rooms?

 

[St. Clown]

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Put yourself in their shoes and try to understand their concerns. If you had a daughter (teenage or younger) and a person with a talkywacker walks into the rest room she's in, you'd be ok?

joe, have you ever been in a bar when it's really busy? If you're in the restroom, and there's a long line for the women's room, it's not entirely uncommon to have a lady or two jump over to the men's room, act demure and ask if anyone minds. These women, in my experience, have never been traumatized by what they've seen and haven't been attacked for their efforts. There are separate stalls to provide privacy for what they do, so why's it such a big deal? It's not like people are whipping out their gonads and calling for everyone to take a gander at the heat they're bringing to the party.

 

[Handyman]

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joe, have you ever been in a bar when it's really busy? If you're in the restroom, and there's a long line for the women's room, it's not entirely uncommon to have a lady or two jump over to the men's room, act demure and ask if anyone minds. These women, in my experience, have never been traumatized by what they've seen and haven't been attacked for their efforts. There are separate stalls to provide privacy for what they do, so why's it such a big deal? It's not like people are whipping out their gonads and calling for everyone to take a gander at the heat they're bringing to the party.

Yeah but God doesnt hate them...unless they are whores. Of course no ones daughter is a whore only other daughters are whores

Transgender = icky so we need to protect everyone from them!

 

[joecct]

joe, have you ever been in a bar when it's really busy? If you're in the restroom, and there's a long line for the women's room, it's not entirely uncommon to have a lady or two jump over to the men's room, act demure and ask if anyone minds. These women, in my experience, have never been traumatized by what they've seen and haven't been attacked for their efforts. There are separate stalls to provide privacy for what they do, so why's it such a big deal? It's not like people are whipping out their gonads and calling for everyone to take a gander at the heat they're bringing to the party.

bar, no. Capitol Centre yes. These are adults. I was talking about a teenage daughter. IMO there's a difference.

Heck, if a guys whips it out in public in front of a school he's a pervert and sex offender. But he gets a free pass in the bathroom?

 

[GrinCDXX]

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Heck, if a guys whips it out in public in front of a school he's a pervert and sex offender. But he gets a free pass in the bathroom?

There are no words.

 

[unofan]

bar, no. Capitol Centre yes. These are adults. I was talking about a teenage daughter. IMO there's a difference.

Heck, if a guys whips it out in public in front of a school he's a pervert and sex offender. But he gets a free pass in the bathroom?

Unless you're expecting him to pee his pants, of course he does. Why are you looking at another person's junk, anyway? Have something you need to share with the rest of us, Joe?

 

[joecct]

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It's obvious that my sense of right and wrong is different than yours. I'm 60 and was brought up that a man's private parts should not be seen by young girls (and vice versa).

Now in this enlightened age, this position is doubleplusungood. I fully expect the thought police will come for me and I'll be sent to a reeducation camp where my views will be "adjusted".

I just hope the camp has a safe space.

 

[St. Clown]

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bar, no. Capitol Centre yes. These are adults. I was talking about a teenage daughter. IMO there's a difference.

Heck, if a guys whips it out in public in front of a school he's a pervert and sex offender. But he gets a free pass in the bathroom?

Have you ever been in a bathroom where a guy has unzipped his pants in any direction other than facing a urinal? I never have, and it wouldn't sit well with me if I had as it likely means he's playing fireman and trying to douse a fire at some distance. I'd talk to the staff and have that guy given the boot.

With all the attention people give to transgendered people, if a man-to-woman-switcheroo person is going into the bathroom, that person is not flaunting their presence. They're going to do whatever they can to not draw attention to themselves regardless of the bathroom you force upon them. There will be no whipping things out for an impromptu show-and-tell story time.

 

[unofan]

It's obvious that my sense of right and wrong is different than yours. I'm 60 and was brought up that a man's private parts should not be seen by young girls (and vice versa).

Now in this enlightened age, this position is doubleplusungood. I fully expect the thought police will come for me and I'll be sent to a reeducation camp where my views will be "adjusted".

I just hope the camp has a safe space.

Women's restrooms have no urinals, so everyone's in their own separate stalls. How would your daughter see someone else's privates, anyway?

 

[joecct]

Women's restrooms have no urinals, so everyone's in their own separate stalls. How would your daughter see someone else's privates, anyway?

Do all unigender bathrooms had private stalls? Never been in one.

 

[St. Clown]

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Do all unigender bathrooms had private stalls? Never been in one.

The vast majority of them tend to either have all stalls, as in no urinals, or are single-occupant bathrooms.

 

[Handyman]

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joe cant be a real person can he? I mean...really? What do you think transgender people just flail around showing off their parts to anyone that is in the bathroom with them? You cant be possibly that ignorant...even Dubya aint that stupid!

Let me put it this way joe, transgender walks into bathroom, transgender either squats or goes to the urinal, transgender does their business, transgender cleans up and leaves. Transgenders arent animals, they act just like "normals". If your daughter sees genitals, it is cause she is looking. Unless you honestly think she sees lots of female nudity in the public bathrooms she goes into

I know your "morals" dont allow you to accept Transgenders as people (you know cause that was what Jesus would do) but guess what, they have the same etiquette as you and me.

 

[Kepler]

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joe cant be a real person can he? I mean...really?

I have a lot of sympathy for joe because he is expressing a view which I'm sure my dad would have were he still alive.

Let's not pretend that respect for LGBTQ is a founding value of a tolerant society. 20-somethings who grew up outside of certain southern and prairie states are probably the first generation in American history who haven't been indoctrinated with a massive load of prejudices against such "abnormal" people. The AMA was still calling gays mentally ill in the 50s, and they were probably still calling transsexuals (I know, not a gender or sexual preference, but bear with me) mentally ill in the 80s. Several major religions still promulgate these attitudes.

joe has seemed to me to come across as extremely open-minded on many issues related to morality. It is not surprising that he has a few deal-breakers. That, in and of itself, does not a bad person make. Just like everybody's a little bit racist and a little bit sexist, everybody's probably a little bit f-cked up when it comes to sexuality. As long as joe doesn't get to decide laws that govern other people's behavior, I'm sure not going to be the one to cast the first stone.

 

[aparch]

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Political eyes will be turning toward Illinois quickly... Nearing month 10 of the budget stalemate, the Illinois Comptroller will be withholding paychecks from state legislators.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...wmaker-paychecks-met-0418-20160417-story.html

Illinois Comptroller Leslie Geissler Munger plans to delay monthly paychecks for lawmakers and statewide officials, saying there isn't enough money to pay the state's bills and that other services should come first.

The comptroller's office will still process the paychecks, estimated at $1.3 million a month, but lawmakers won't get the money right away because the payments will be thrown onto the state's huge pile of unpaid bills.


Munger acknowledged the idea is to apply pocketbook political pressure to lawmakers to spur a resolution to the 10-month budget fight between Republican Gov. Bruce Rauner and Democrats led by House Speaker Michael Madigan and Senate President John Cullerton. She argued that lawmakers' paychecks are taking away money from nonprofit social service providers and small businesses who have seen their payments delayed during the impasse.

"I am hoping that this will help everyone understand what it feels like, really, to be among the group of people who are waiting months for payment," Munger, a Lincolnshire Republican, said at a rare Sunday morning news conference in Chicago.

Ms. Munger will either go down in political suicide or become a hero in this state.