walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
After reading what Jindal did in office it's no wonder dems won. What a piece of work he is.
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The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
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After reading what Jindal did in office it's no wonder dems won. What a piece of work he is.
ScoobyDoo
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Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
It was all about sex. If Vitter had kept it in his pants the GOP would have won in a landslide. Everyone loves what Jindal has done. He's a true Republican.
It was all about sex. If Vitter had kept it in his pants the GOP would have won in a landslide. Everyone loves what Jindal has done. He's a true Republican.
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Cokie this makes no sense. Jindal is the most unpopular governor in the US not named "Brownback". Vitter already won re-election to the Senate after his prostitution scandal broke.
Simply put, if your gov is a fuk up, but somehow got re-elected, its real tough to follow him/her regardless of your state's partisan lean. Vitter should have won, but people apparently rejected another 4 years of the same sh !t. Keep that in mind when Goopers have to follow Christie, LePage, Walker, Scott and Brownback next time. Some govs have left it easier for their party's nominee to succeed them. Kasich, Martinez, and Snyder come to mind. Others are total disasters, and Jindal is exhibit A.
Cokie this makes no sense. Jindal is the most unpopular governor in the US not named "Brownback". Vitter already won re-election to the Senate after his prostitution scandal broke.
Simply put, if your gov is a fuk up, but somehow got re-elected, its real tough to follow him/her regardless of your state's partisan lean. Vitter should have won, but people apparently rejected another 4 years of the same sh !t. Keep that in mind when Goopers have to follow Christie, LePage, Walker, Scott and Brownback next time. Some govs have left it easier for their party's nominee to succeed them. Kasich, Martinez, and Snyder come to mind. Others are total disasters, and Jindal is exhibit A.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
Brownback won reelection. You cannot underestimate the willingness of voters to vote for people that are against their best interests just because they'll let a terrorist buy a gun at a gun show.
Brownback won reelection. You cannot underestimate the willingness of voters to vote for people that are against their best interests just because they'll let a terrorist buy a gun at a gun show.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
There's a reason it's called "Free-dumb." The GOP set this up deliberately by dumpster-diving for their rhetoric and their candidates, demonizing critical thinking and tub-thumping for evergreen radical right themes of racial purity, anti-intellectualism, the glorification of violence and militarism. Their ideological house of mirrors is facile and superficial, but their first rule is the primacy of gut instinct and adoption of children's fairy tales in everything from economics to theology -- the inanity is a virtue among their believers.
There's a reason it's called "Free-dumb." The GOP set this up deliberately by dumpster-diving for their rhetoric and their candidates, demonizing critical thinking and tub-thumping for evergreen radical right themes of racial purity, anti-intellectualism, the glorification of violence and militarism. Their ideological house of mirrors is facile and superficial, but their first rule is the primacy of gut instinct and adoption of children's fairy tales in everything from economics to theology -- the inanity is a virtue among their believers.
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I know, as did LePage, Scott, Walker, etc. Much like GWB, sometimes a guy gets the benefit of the doubt and is re-elected, but if he's still a fukup for another 4 years the voters take it out on the next man up. That's what happened to Vitter, an admittedly sleazy candidate but that generally doesn't bother Louisiana voters. He couldn't escape 8 years of Jindal stink lingering from the worst governor in the nation. Come 2017, whoever runs for the GOP in NJ has to answer for the 8 downgrades and lagging employment of the Christie era. Whoever runs in Maine in 2018 is going to own every nutty LePage quote and action. Same with FL and WI.
I know, as did LePage, Scott, Walker, etc. Much like GWB, sometimes a guy gets the benefit of the doubt and is re-elected, but if he's still a fukup for another 4 years the voters take it out on the next man up. That's what happened to Vitter, an admittedly sleazy candidate but that generally doesn't bother Louisiana voters. He couldn't escape 8 years of Jindal stink lingering from the worst governor in the nation. Come 2017, whoever runs for the GOP in NJ has to answer for the 8 downgrades and lagging employment of the Christie era. Whoever runs in Maine in 2018 is going to own every nutty LePage quote and action. Same with FL and WI.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
Sure. So we got Obama for 8 years. And, yeah, he got some things done. But, not nearly enough. Why? Cause things were so ****ed up when he got there that he'd need 1/2 a century to undo it all.
Elections have consequences.
Sure. So we got Obama for 8 years. And, yeah, he got some things done. But, not nearly enough. Why? Cause things were so ****ed up when he got there that he'd need 1/2 a century to undo it all.
Elections have consequences.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
So do erections, but we keep having them too.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
Not all of them. Every election does.
Not all of them. Every election does.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
That's not true at all, it just a matter of whether or not you like the results.
That's not true at all, it just a matter of whether or not you like the results.
ScoobyDoo
NPC
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
So, what now we're parsing the definition of consequences? I guess it wouldn't be USCHO if the definition of words wasn't parsed to the Nth degree.
So, what now we're parsing the definition of consequences? I guess it wouldn't be USCHO if the definition of words wasn't parsed to the Nth degree.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
The results could be a whither and die scenario, nothing dramatic and no great excitement. For this, you could think of the Presidency back in the ~1820s to 1850, where little things occur but they're nothing most people are going to remember. Then there are those elections that end up being very exciting, leading to great cancers on our society and others that end up being true boons. People can pick which were which, but they've certainly happened both ways.
The results could be a whither and die scenario, nothing dramatic and no great excitement. For this, you could think of the Presidency back in the ~1820s to 1850, where little things occur but they're nothing most people are going to remember. Then there are those elections that end up being very exciting, leading to great cancers on our society and others that end up being true boons. People can pick which were which, but they've certainly happened both ways.
dxmnkd316
Lucia Apologist
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
It will not happen again.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-republican-governor-brownback-kansas/412378/
It will not happen again.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...-republican-governor-brownback-kansas/412378/
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
Spokesman for Alaska State Senate Democrats quits, writes letter blasting them for "complacency".
Interesting story that I think kind of represents the Dem problem in red states, lots of complaining but no real action.
Spokesman for Alaska State Senate Democrats quits, writes letter blasting them for "complacency".
Interesting story that I think kind of represents the Dem problem in red states, lots of complaining but no real action.
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I don't know a ton about the Alaska Dems but I think he's right. Look at the John Bel Edwards campaign in Louisiana. The last time Vitter got spanked that hard he was paying for it by a prostitute in the privacy of a brothel. Edwards came right out after him and campaigned directly on expanding Medicaid for his constituents. You can't wuss around the issues. You have to take it to your opponents and if you can't articulate what you would do differently in these states you're not going to win. Dems have a fantastic opportunity to seize multiple governorships in states where the incumbent either unpopular, a lunatic, or both (WI, IL, ME, FL, NC, KS, NJ, IN). No, you won't win all these states but its a lot easier if you can clearly say Gov Gooper was an f-up, here's what I'll do differently.
I don't know a ton about the Alaska Dems but I think he's right. Look at the John Bel Edwards campaign in Louisiana. The last time Vitter got spanked that hard he was paying for it by a prostitute in the privacy of a brothel. Edwards came right out after him and campaigned directly on expanding Medicaid for his constituents. You can't wuss around the issues. You have to take it to your opponents and if you can't articulate what you would do differently in these states you're not going to win. Dems have a fantastic opportunity to seize multiple governorships in states where the incumbent either unpopular, a lunatic, or both (WI, IL, ME, FL, NC, KS, NJ, IN). No, you won't win all these states but its a lot easier if you can clearly say Gov Gooper was an f-up, here's what I'll do differently.
aparch
Acetaminamerican
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
No one in Illinois cares who's at the helm, because no one is aware/concerned that the State of Illinois is now on it's sixth month without a budget. The 2016 fiscal year budget never was passed in July, and was deadlocked between the Republican Governor and the Super-majority Democrats in the House and Senate. Worst part, is the governor wanted to pass a piecemeal bill to just get a budget in place back in July, but the DEMS said no, they wanted their bill or nothing. And so far, they've gotten nothing.
But, it's been business as usual throughout the state. Some funding sources are drying up as the state continues to not pay out certain items; for example The Illinois Lottery. No winnings over $600 can be paid out. The nation wide lottery payouts (Mega Millions/Powerball) will not pay winners from Illinois either, because Illinois isn't paying out their share as required.
No one in Illinois cares who's at the helm, because no one is aware/concerned that the State of Illinois is now on it's sixth month without a budget. The 2016 fiscal year budget never was passed in July, and was deadlocked between the Republican Governor and the Super-majority Democrats in the House and Senate. Worst part, is the governor wanted to pass a piecemeal bill to just get a budget in place back in July, but the DEMS said no, they wanted their bill or nothing. And so far, they've gotten nothing.
But, it's been business as usual throughout the state. Some funding sources are drying up as the state continues to not pay out certain items; for example The Illinois Lottery. No winnings over $600 can be paid out. The nation wide lottery payouts (Mega Millions/Powerball) will not pay winners from Illinois either, because Illinois isn't paying out their share as required.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
The former Speaker of the House for the State of New York was just convicted of multiple crimes for selling influence.
The former President of the Senate for the State of New York is on trial for the same type of offenses.
If this is a "laboratory of democracy" it shows a failed experiment.
The former Speaker of the House for the State of New York was just convicted of multiple crimes for selling influence.
The former President of the Senate for the State of New York is on trial for the same type of offenses.
If this is a "laboratory of democracy" it shows a failed experiment.
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
Michigan is looking to introduce "no-reason" absentee voting as well as eliminate straight-ticket voting.
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/i..._bills_no-reason_absen.html#incart_river_home
Michigan is looking to introduce "no-reason" absentee voting as well as eliminate straight-ticket voting.
http://www.mlive.com/lansing-news/i..._bills_no-reason_absen.html#incart_river_home
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
Re: The States: Mad Scientist Laboratories of Democracy
I have no problem with eliminating the straight ticket. I think being able to vote absentee without cause is just another way of adults shirking their duties. There are already enough "fair" excuses.
I have no problem with eliminating the straight ticket. I think being able to vote absentee without cause is just another way of adults shirking their duties. There are already enough "fair" excuses.
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