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The States: At Least Michigan is Better Than Indiana

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Looks like the Minny GOP just found their next nominee for governor!
 
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https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2019/02/trump-just-lost-another-election-in-california

On Saturday, about 1,500 members of the California Republican Party gathered in Sacramento, California, for their 2019 convention’s main event: a debate between three candidates locked in a divisive battle to become the new party chair, a position that will help shape the future of the beleaguered state party as it attempts to revive itself after being brutalized in the November elections.

Even before the debate properly kicked off, the rift within the party bled into the open. Shawn Steel, the state’s Republican National Committeeman and an unabashed Trump supporter, took to the podium before a largely white crowd ideologically differentiated by their attire—”Make America Great Again” hats and Trump 2020 pins, blue suits and tweed blazers, jeans and “God, Guns, and Guts” shirts. He voiced his support for Jessica Millan Patterson, a 38-year-old acolyte of House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy who would become the new party chair—and the first Latina to hold that position—the following day. “She’s one of the toughest people I’ve ever met,” Steel declared.
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“RINO!” someone shouted from the back of the hall. “I second that!” yelled someone else, who then booed.

That Steel, a self-proclaimed “red-meat conservative,” might be seen as a Republican in name only highlighted how entrenched the warring factions within the party have become. The fight for the soul of the California GOP has pitted pro-Trump hardliners against “establishment” Republicans, whom they blame for the party’s recent near-annihilation at the ballot box and its anemic numbers in the voter rolls.

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She didn’t win over everyone. After the delegates elected Patterson as the next party chair, with 55 percent of the vote (Allen got 31 percent, Frank got 15), her opponents’ supporters fumed. Outside, a guy wearing a Travis Allen sweatshirt flipped off the convention center and said, “I’m done! Whatever this is—I’m done! I’m sick of it.” Another man in a MAGA shirt stormed away, yelling, “What a bunch of ****!” Catherine Hart, an Allen supporter who was swathed in American-flag-patterned attire, declared that the election was “rigged.” “California is dead,” she told me.

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Frank and Allen did not bother with such niceties. Frank, who has been a Republican activist since the ’60s, spoke at a “Build the Wall” dinner hosted by the tea party the night before the vote. There, he told me that the thing he liked the most about being a machine-gunner during the Vietnam War was that it was “legal to kill communists.” (It was a joke—I think.) Earlier in the day, Allen hosted his own “Build the Wall” rally on the steps of the Capitol. It was attended by members of the Proud Boys, which was recently designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Speakers led chants of “lock her up!” and denounced the “communist” Democrats who are ruining California.

While Frank riffed about how Republicans need more candidates and a serious get-out-the-vote campaign, Allen fired up crowds with bombastic speeches that were scarce on details. When he was asked during the debate what his greatest weakness is, he responded, “If I could change one thing, it would be to have even more energy and more passion for my state…I wish there was more of me to give.” Earlier, he told attendees that he was the only candidate who “has stood on a stage with Gavin Newsom and defeated him,” conveniently skimming over the fact that his 2018 gubernatorial bid never made it past the primary, much less to a showdown with the new Democratic governor.
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LOL
 
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Its amazing...in the 1990s these were the people that HATED the GOP and George Bush. Now they ARE the GOP. If you want to trip yourself out go watch the Ruby Ridge Doc...these are the clowns who protested anything government related. (or Party related) Now they own a Party.

California is a harbinger of what is to come for the GOP post Trump. He has already killed the suburbs for the Party (even in Red States) and unless they find another reality star to fool the idiots (Paging Scott Baio) it is going to be a bloodbath in the next few election cycles. If the GOP doesnt expel the MAGAytes soon it could get real ugly for them.
 
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Handyman said:
Its amazing...in the 1990s these were the people that HATED the GOP and George Bush. Now they ARE the GOP. If you want to trip yourself out go watch the Ruby Ridge Doc...these are the clowns who protested anything government related. (or Party related) Now they own a Party.

California is a harbinger of what is to come for the GOP post Trump. He has already killed the suburbs for the Party (even in Red States) and unless they find another reality star to fool the idiots (Paging Scott Baio) it is going to be a bloodbath in the next few election cycles. If the GOP doesnt expel the MAGAytes soon it could get real ugly for them.
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I need to see the suburbs stay purplish blue through 2022 before I proclaim the national GOP following California's state GOP into annihilation.
 
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bronconick said:
I need to see the suburbs stay purplish blue through 2022 before I proclaim the national GOP following California's state GOP into annihilation.
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They will in 2020 for sure. Look at NC, Texas and Virginia...the burbs are why the House was catastrophic for the GOP.

As long as Trump and his Magaytes are the standard bearer for the Party this will continue.
 
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If the GOP doesnt expel the MAGAytes soon it could get real ugly for them.
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You said it yourself: now the GOP is the maggots. One does not expel oneself.

The Plutes are still kinda OK because even though the yokels control the GOP they are still brainwashed to favor Plute policies. But nothing says that's forever. The yokels burn with hatred for anyone better than they are (read: anyone). It's only a matter of time until some tub thumper gets up there and incites them to hatred against the Plutes. That's what the Tea Party started out as, but the wealthy were able to hijack it. Next time the Populist monster might just turn and snap off the head of the jockey that's been riding it.
 
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They will in 2020 for sure. Look at NC, Texas and Virginia...the burbs are why the House was catastrophic for the GOP.

As long as Trump and his Magaytes are the standard bearer for the Party this will continue.
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I don't see any evidence that we can translate that midterm suburban enthusiasm into former R voters getting rid of Dumpy. Remember: by November 2020 the Democratic nominee will have been smeared as ridiculously as Hillary. All those nice, reasonable, middle class white red staters will be terrified of whatever argle bargle the GOP has thrown their way. Just think of how concerned Rube will be. Think about how Sic will be telling us we missed our chance by nominating a (whatever demon they decide to fill his head with).

It is vanishingly rare than anyone changes their affiliation after the age of 35. It will be a fight for getting the base out, which is why a charismatic and sincere leftist, hopefully under the age of 112, is our best bet.

Our only hope with established R voters is their age, diet, and lifestyle. They have to attrit themselves out -- they're not getting any smarter.
 
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I never said they would get rid of him, but they will be his downfall. It isnt about changing affiliation it is about who is voting. (insert Sicatoka pretending he came up with some genius thought...I guess the bar is low in NoDak ;) ) Do you think the suburbs were blue in 2018 because those people switched sides? No they were blue because Blue Voters went to the polls. They will again because they cant stand this clown or his "people".

The GOP has a branding problem though and that is going to hurt them going forward. What we saw in California where the party is divided is going to happen everywhere they lose going forward. The suburbanites (like my old suburb) that were split or perhaps leaned Red are being invaded by younger voters of various demographics (sexual orientation, color and so on) and the Middle Classers there who hate taxes are afraid of being branded as one of the MAGAytes. Plus none of these people got much in the way of a anything out of the tax cut so the one thing they usually love about the Party really didnt do much. It is worth caucusing with morons and racists if you get what you want out of it but none of these people did.

The Mitt Romney Republicans cant survive with the MAGAytes much longer. The Michael Steele's of the world cant either nor can the Marco Rubios. The MAGAytes are worse than the Tea Party because they wont capitulate at all. They hate Government and they hate politicians and they will burn the whole thing down to get what they want. When the racists cant blame the Dems anymore they will do what we just saw at the California Convention they will walk out, light a match and **** on the ashes of whoever gets in their way. These people dont give a crap about the Grand Ole Party, they want what they want and they will go to war to get it.
 
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I want this guy to become the face of the Electoral College.

Fun fact: by 2040 50% of the US population will live in 15 states. So, 50% of the US population will control 70% of the Senate.
 
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bronconick said:
I need to see the suburbs stay purplish blue through 2022 before I proclaim the national GOP following California's state GOP into annihilation.
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Well yeah exactly, whoever is the next president can't repeat Obama's mistakes if we want to see that happen.
 
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