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The States: At Least Michigan is Better Than Indiana

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An early contender for Dumbest Argument of 2019. State Senator Lynn Hutchings (R) of Wyoming, explaining her decision to vote against abolishing the death penalty:

“The greatest man who ever lived died via the death penalty for you and me. I’m grateful to him for our future hope because of this. Governments were instituted to execute justice. If it wasn’t for Jesus dying via the death penalty, we would all have no hope.”
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ScoobyDoo said:
I paid out of pocket for my Master's. Didn't really do anything for me. Probably my fault it didn't but I got it in '07 and the entire economy and my bank account went belly up in '08. Made me extremely skittish about the market (jobs, and economy). Just stayed where I am. I make my own hours pretty much and have tons of vacation time. I also for the most part like what I'm doing. I get to talk to a lot of people at a lot of other companies that are in positions in my field and I don't want the job they have. I'm in the wrong profession if you want real self actualization in your life. Came to terms with that about 5 years ago.
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My first Masters will have me in debt until I die. The second one is free and might help me pay off the first one.
 
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Handyman said:
My first Masters will have me in debt until I die. The second one is free and might help me pay off the first one.
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Never get a graduate degree the school won't pay for.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Brent, your big problem is that this:


Does not line up with this:


Is not very consistent to say “I don’t look down on them” and then immediately look down on them and say they don’t deserve a living wage.
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A crappy job can also be an honest job. It's not meant to be a job to rely on to get a livable wage on its own. Lines up perfectly. Frankly, to most people, I have a crappy job. I work warehouse. It's not pretty, it's not glamorous. It's pure physical labor. And it's an honest job. I just happen to make a bit of money doing it.

If you work at the cliched McDonald's, that's a crappy job if you're not a manager of sorts. It's the first step to a long term career either in the company (moving up internally) or getting a job with another company.
 
The Rube said:
A crappy job can also be an honest job. It's not meant to be a job to rely on to get a livable wage on its own. Lines up perfectly. Frankly, to most people, I have a crappy job. I work warehouse. It's not pretty, it's not glamorous. It's pure physical labor. And it's an honest job. I just happen to make a bit of money doing it.

If you work at the cliched McDonald's, that's a crappy job if you're not a manager of sorts. It's the first step to a long term career either in the company (moving up internally) or getting a job with another company.
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So if it’s an honest job why don’t they deserve a livable wage? I mean we want people to work honest jobs, even if their “crappy unskilled” jobs, then we should pay them a livable wage.
 
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Jimjamesak said:
So if it’s an honest job why don’t they deserve a livable wage? I mean we want people to work honest jobs, even if their “crappy unskilled” jobs, then we should pay them a livable wage.
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A fair wage, sure, the $12 figure was mentioned. However, these are jobs that are not meant to provide a living. They are a stepping stone.
 
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The Rube said:
A fair wage, sure, the $12 figure was mentioned. However, these are jobs that are not meant to provide a living. They are a stepping stone.
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But these jobs are not always "stepping stones".... In retail right now, many jobs are being filled by someone who is stepping back a level (Store manager to Department manager, Department manager to Department Lead) instead of promoting from within. In my store 2 of 6 managers moved up into their positions. The other 4 managers held higher positions elsewhere.

This is common in mid and big box retail right now. Promising candidates get looks but always fall to the guy with "experience" at the level being applied for. It's not like 20 years ago where companies will hire from within. Most hiring is external now...
 
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RaceBoarder said:
But these jobs are not always "stepping stones".... In retail right now, many jobs are being filled by someone who is stepping back a level (Store manager to Department manager, Department manager to Department Lead) instead of promoting from within. In my store 2 of 6 managers moved up into their positions. The other 4 managers held higher positions elsewhere.

This is common in mid and big box retail right now. Promising candidates get looks but always fall to the guy with "experience" at the level being applied for. It's not like 20 years ago where companies will hire from within. Most hiring is external now...
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That's the thing, not everyone can just magically move up and if they have to live on government assistance while they're in their "stepping stone" job then the taxpayer is basically just subsidizing the company.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Whatever helps you sleep.
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:confused:

You think way too highly of yourself. You and I are basically cut from the same cloth, just a couple of states away. Outraged ex-conservatives who went to fancy schools and are now outraged moderate libs with "smarter than thou" ego complexes.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
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You think way too highly of yourself. You and I are basically cut from the same cloth, just a couple of states away. Outraged ex-conservatives who went to fancy schools and are now outraged moderate libs with "smarter than thou" ego complexes.
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Umtc ain’t fancy :)
State schools are basically community colleges with high end sports teams
 
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