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The Sad Case of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act

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FreshFish said:
and that makes it mandatory how, exactly?



("mandatory" in the sense that all health plans now must offer it..sounds like someone imposing their values on everyone else to me, and to every reasonable person I know as well. Of course, all you anointed ones on the left know better than everyone else, so why even bother responding to us in the first place? just impose your will by force of law and ignore the centuries of First Amendment rights)
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Umm.....doesn't the SCOTUS, not internet knuckledraggers, decide what does and doesn't violate the First Amendment? And, wasn't the law upheld or something recently....

See Fishy, I'll put it to you again. The American people have the opportunity to render judgement on Obama for this come November. The majority rules (most of the time). How again is mandatory covering of birth control infringing on your rights? What right specifically?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Secularism is, in fact, an establishment of religion.
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Only if you force other people to practice it - and don't insult your own intelligence by saying that removing the 10 Commandments from a courthouse forces people to practice secularism.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Secularism is, in fact, an establishment of religion.
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LynahFan said:
Only if you force other people to practice it - and don't insult your own intelligence by saying that removing the 10 Commandments from a courthouse forces people to practice secularism.
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By constantly forcing groups to remove icons for reasons surrounding religion, you are certainly prohibiting the free exercise thereof. This is a form of establishing religion, as it is a government saying you may not practice this particular religion. If you were to provide me with The Book of Mormon, certainly it's literature, and you would find it in the non-fiction section of the library (200's according to Dewey), but that wouldn't force me to accept it as dogma.
 
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Kepler said:
There are a-holes on all sides. These a-holes are not in charge of the House of Representatives.
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What about the a-holes who had the House before this bunch of a-holes?
 
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joecct said:
What about the a-holes who had the House before this bunch of a-holes?
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The House is pretty much always controlled by a-holes. What's the old joke? The Senate is a Country Club and the House is an Insane Asylum.
 
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Kepler said:
The House is pretty much always controlled by a-holes. What's the old joke? The Senate is a Country Club and the House is an Insane Asylum.
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From the late, great Nipsey Russell:

"The opposite of 'pro' is 'con', that fact is clearly seen: If 'progress' means move forward, then what does 'congress' mean?"
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
From the late, great Nipsey Russell:

"The opposite of 'pro' is 'con', that fact is clearly seen: If 'progress' means move forward, then what does 'congress' mean?"
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"A foreigner coming here and reading the Congressional Record would say that the President of the United States was elected solely for the purpose of giving Senators somebody to call a horse thief." -- Will Rogers
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
By constantly forcing groups to remove icons for reasons surrounding religion, you are certainly prohibiting the free exercise thereof. This is a form of establishing religion, as it is a government saying you may not practice this particular religion. If you were to provide me with The Book of Mormon, certainly it's literature, and you would find it in the non-fiction section of the library (200's according to Dewey), but that wouldn't force me to accept it as dogma.
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Bzzzzzt. Show me where the government is forcing "groups to remove icons." The government prevents ITSELF (including its schools and school functions) from displaying imagery that promotes any particular religion - keeping itself properly neutral. Private groups can display whatever icons they want on their property and in appropriate public spaces (e.g. wearing a Jesus T-shirt while walking on a public sidewalk).
 
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LynahFan said:
Bzzzzzt. Show me where the government is forcing "groups to remove icons." The government prevents ITSELF (including its schools and school functions) from displaying imagery that promotes any particular religion - keeping itself properly neutral. Private groups can display whatever icons they want on their property and in appropriate public spaces (e.g. wearing a Jesus T-shirt while walking on a public sidewalk).
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And more to the point, government can display some religious symbols so long as it shows them all (there was a guy who put up a festivus pole next to a menorah and christmas tree)
 
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LynahFan said:
Bzzzzzt. Show me where the government is forcing "groups to remove icons." The government prevents ITSELF (including its schools and school functions) from displaying imagery that promotes any particular religion - keeping itself properly neutral. Private groups can display whatever icons they want on their property and in appropriate public spaces (e.g. wearing a Jesus T-shirt while walking on a public sidewalk).
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How about a new Veterans memorial that just happens to take the shape of a lower case T?
 
LynahFan said:
Bzzzzzt. Show me where the government is forcing "groups to remove icons." The government prevents ITSELF (including its schools and school functions) from displaying imagery that promotes any particular religion - keeping itself properly neutral. Private groups can display whatever icons they want on their property and in appropriate public spaces (e.g. wearing a Jesus T-shirt while walking on a public sidewalk).
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There IS the story that when BHO spoke at Georgetown, the school (was forced/asked?) covered up the religious symbols behind the podium.
 
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joecct said:
There IS the story that when BHO spoke at Georgetown, the school (was forced/asked?) covered up the religious symbols behind the podium.
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Just like the NCAA forces people to cover up pepsi logos, right?
 
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joecct said:
There IS the story that when BHO spoke at Georgetown, the school (was forced/asked?) covered up the religious symbols behind the podium.
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Temporarily, for a government function. I'm going to need a lot more than that before I lose any sleep over this.
 
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http://www.independent.ie/national-news/senator-john-crown-defends-abortion-waiting-list-joke-3236119.html"] this started out as a satire of how long it takes to get health care under "universal" coverage in Ireland....

IF ABORTION was available in Ireland there would be a 10-month waiting list, Senator John Crown warned today
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which actually is kind of funny....



Dr Crown was commenting on the latest figures from the HSE showing hospitals plunging further into financial crisis while over 300,000 wait to see a specialist
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however, his timing was terrible since abortion is not yet legal there and the first law permitting abortion in limited circumstances is being debated (no one there has yet said "safe, legal, and rare")
 
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If you like your health insurance plan, you'll be able to keep it.
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-- Barack Obama

I'm going to retire at the end of this year; I don't want to put up with all the additional paperwork of PPACA combined with lower Medicare reimbursement rates.
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-- My (soon-to-be former) physician.

Who are you going to believe, me or your own eyes?
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-- the rat from An American Tail
 
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Read 'em and weep Fishy. Even knuckledraggers are starting to realize the ACA is here to stay!

A new Associated Press-GfK poll finds 72% of Americans think President Obama's health care law will go fully into effect with some changes, ranging from minor to major alterations.

Just 12% say they expect the Affordable Care Act to be repealed completely
 
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