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The Religion Thread: A Believer-Atheist Alliance

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Kepler said:
Huh. What was that about? Religious demographic?

Here's one of the greatest Twitter maps ever: relative frequency of tweets about "beer" vs "church." It's basically a map of where not to live.
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The only part of that map that doesn't make sense in Minnesota is Ramsey County (the sole red county in the state). It's where St. Paul is located, and the cathedral has a very prominent place in the city's skyline, so likely finds its way into a great many tweets. Conversely, the St. Paul also has a few really good breweries and Pig's Eye, and people around here love them all.
 
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unofan said:
http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/11/0...arbitration-scripture-is-the-rule-of-law.html
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These so-called religious "rehab" programs are a scam at best, and pure evil at worst. They know that what they are doing has mentally destroyed some people, and they cover their a55es by pulling the kind of crap you read about in the article.

That guy belonged in a proper inpatient facility, and then a 3/4 or halfway with monitored IOP. Not a Jesus Labor Camp.
 
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unofan said:
. Good luck getting qualified public servants without labor protections,
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Your phrase "labor protection" seems to imply that they are actually doing gainful work in the first place, right?

It's one thing to protect people from harassment, it's another thing entirely to expect them to do actual work.

I'm aware of several documented cases where a state employee's own timesheets show her working 2 hours a day, yet her union still engaged in a vigorous defense of her right not to work. Those are the kinds of excesses that are hard to justify anywhere and give most decent union members an undeserved bad name by association. There are plenty of times when a public sector union steward tells a new hire to slow down and not work so fast.

As always, there is a middle ground.
 
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FreshFish said:
Your phrase "labor protection" seems to imply that they are actually doing gainful work in the first place, right?
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Government workers are no lazier than any other sector as a whole. So yes, they are.
 
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Kepler said:
Back to the thread, this is messed up.
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But strictly on contract terms, it's legal. Both parties signed it. You can't claim "OOPS!" after the fact.

If I dealt with Mohammed's Rug Mercantile, Inc. and signed a sales contract that had a clause that Sharia Law was to be used to resolve disputes, too bad, so sad.
 
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unofan said:
For the most part, yes. I could probably think of a hypothetical or two where student run prayer could be coercive enough to possibly run afoul, but not in anything similar to the situations you set forth.

For the record, comparative religion sections in social studies class are also ok.
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THis was just a hot topic on the local parents page on FB. Some knuckle dragging chick posted a picture of her son's homework that asked him to regurgitate facts on Islam. The kid came home and said he didn't want to do this work because he was forced to way happy holidays and not allowed to say Merry Christmas. It created a firestorm of paranoid idiots who had this bizarre idea that people were going to be brainwashed into having to recite Islamic stuff. This despite a slew of us explaining the kids have to do similar work sheets on all the major religions.

Seriously people. This area is so Catholic you are discriminated against if you don't do CCD. Do they really think these very Catholic people are going to brainwash their kids? The lack of logic is stunning.

Then we had people who are obviously completely ignorant of history who want to ban all discussion of religions in school. Duh. That would mean not talking about most of history. Sometimes I lose faith in the intelligence of humanity (at least locally)
 
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leswp1 said:
THis was just a hot topic on the local parents page on FB. Some knuckle dragging chick posted a picture of her son's homework that asked him to regurgitate facts on Islam. The kid came home and said he didn't want to do this work because he was forced to way happy holidays and not allowed to say Merry Christmas. It created a firestorm of paranoid idiots who had this bizarre idea that people were going to be brainwashed into having to recite Islamic stuff. This despite a slew of us explaining the kids have to do similar work sheets on all the major religions.

Seriously people. This area is so Catholic you are discriminated against if you don't do CCD. Do they really think these very Catholic people are going to brainwash their kids? The lack of logic is stunning.

Then we had people who are obviously completely ignorant of history who want to ban all discussion of religions in school. Duh. That would mean not talking about most of history. Sometimes I lose faith in the intelligence of humanity (at least locally)
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A bit around the Commonwealth on 128 and you could burn them at the stake.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
Good 'ol WM, the Bible Belt of the North.

I still find it funny a region that's becoming quite prominent in brewing still had dry cities within the last decade.
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And most of the people complaining are Republicans in their 50s and 60s, who really don't understand the whole "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion" or "the Constitution is the supreme law of the land" parts of the constitution.
 
ShirtlessBob said:
And most of the people complaining are Republicans in their 50s and 60s, who really don't understand the whole "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion" or "the Constitution is the supreme law of the land" parts of the constitution.
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Who probably remember praying in school and wonder what the heck happened and don't like it one bit.
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
And most of the people complaining are Republicans in their 50s and 60s, who really don't understand the whole "Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of a religion" or "the Constitution is the supreme law of the land" parts of the constitution.
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What they are actually unhappy with, is that centuries of "Christian exceptionalism" to those laws has finally been chipped away by modern lawyering and politicking.
 
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joecct said:
Who probably remember praying in school and wonder what the heck happened and don't like it one bit.
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I remember having to pray in public school and being immensely uncomfortable because I was brought up Unitarian. The way they required us to pray involved the Trinity. It caused all sorts of issues when I asked a bunch of questions of my parents. If people would be willing to let different Faiths lead prayers every AM without complaining I would feel like there was exposure (and everyone could be uncomfortable some of the time).

For all people want to insist on 'God' in the school they cannot decide which God is the right one.
 
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unofan said:
Government workers are no lazier than any other sector as a whole. So yes, they are.
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If we posit your hypothetical as true, there is still a huge difference: lazy workers in the private sector typically can be fired, while it is well-nigh impossible to fire people at the state government level (at least around here), and very few teachers ever get fired for anything. In NY city, they actually assign unproductive teachers to a place where they are paid not to teach, it really is that difficult to fire them for not doing their job at all.

From what I've heard, these kinds of job protections are not quite so readily available at the federal level. So federal government employees may well be more responsive to supervision than employees at the state level, at least in the Northeast.
 
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31 of 32. It definitely makes sense that atheists do better on this quiz - many religious folks only know their own.
 
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