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The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

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Kepler said:
Not to mention the red states will blow all the money on state-sponsored Noah's arks and tax breaks for millionaires. The poor in those states will never see a dime. But they vote straight ticket Republican so, not to put too fine a point on it, f-ck them.
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Exactly.
 
dxmnkd316 said:
I heard an interesting point this morning on either Smerconish or Morning Joe. If this law passes, it would hurt the states who expanded Medicaid (the blue states) and pass a lot of that federal money to the states who didn't (the red states). This bill is a political bailout of the red states who can't make grown up decisions.
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It's all about getting money to states like Mississippi a Kentucky, etc.
 
Re: The PPACA Thread Part V: Doctor! Doctor! Give me the news!

Finally someone puts this in words simple folk like you and me can understand: https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/20/16333876/republican-senators-graham-cassidy

Jeff Stein
Senator, I wanted to ask you for a policy-based explanation for why you’re moving forward with the Graham-Cassidy proposal. What problems will this solve in the health care system?

Pat Roberts
That — that is the last stage out of Dodge City.

Jeff Stein
I’m just trying to explain to our readers what the policy —

Pat Roberts
What readers? Who do you represent?

Jeff Stein
It’s a website called Vox.

Pat Roberts
... [Graham-Cassidy] is the last stage out of Dodge City. I’m from Dodge City. So it’s the last stage out to do anything. Restoring decision-making back to the states is always a good idea, but this is not the best possible bill — this is the best bill possible under the circumstances.

If we do nothing, I think it has a tremendous impact on the 2018 elections. And whether or not Republicans still maintain control and we have the gavel.

Jeff Stein
But why does this bill make things better for Americans? How does it help?

Pat Roberts
Pardon me?

Jeff Stein
Why does this make things better? What is this doing?

Pat Roberts
Look, we’re in the back seat of a convertible being driven by Thelma and Louise, and we’re headed toward the canyon. That’s a movie that you’ve probably never seen —

Jeff Stein
I do know Thelma & Louise, sir.

Pat Roberts
So we have to get out of the car, and you have to have a car to get into, and this is the only car there is.
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Handyman said:
Well last time they didnt let them read it because they didnt want it leaking. They gave everyone a summary when it went public.

The GOP is praying that the media doesnt have enough time to put out all the information because that will be the death knell. Once the stories about Grandma Apple Pie and Papa War Veteran losing insurance start popping out it is all down hill. Sooner or later Jim Bob Slackjaw realizes he is taking it in the shorts as well and away they go. But this time the added twist is that GOP strongholds like Alaska and WV are not only going to take it in the shorts by having people kicked off but they will pay but the ones who dared expand will pay for the ones who didnt. Once that is dumbed down to the point that the average slob understands it this bill is dead.

This is going to be fun :)
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On a similar note it sounds like they're only allowing 2 minutes of time for debate on this.
 
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Rover said:
This breaks it down pretty well...

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/20/gop-senators-would-shortchange-states-with-obamacare-repeal.html

So, yes Texas makes out like a bandit, but a lot of other red states are going to be ponying up to make that happen.
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So lets see, last time they lost because Murkowski, McCain and Collins all voted no. Collins is against the bill because Maine loses a billion, Arizona loses 11 billion and Alaska loses a billion. They figure this will pass how exactly?
 
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Handyman said:
So lets see, last time they lost because Murkowski, McCain and Collins all voted no. Collins is against the bill because Maine loses a billion, Arizona loses 11 billion and Alaska loses a billion. They figure this will pass how exactly?
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Because if they don't repeal *something*, they'll all get primaried.
 
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bronconick said:
Because if they don't repeal *something*, they'll all get primaried.
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Maybe they should repeal their repeal ;)

I mean the strategy behind this isnt chess, it isnt checkers...hell it isnt even Candyland. To paraphrase Dell Griffith in Planes Trains and Automobiles "They have a better chance of playing pickup sticks with their buttcheeks than getting this to pass" :D (RIP John Candy)
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Ha! McCain is gonna die, Murkowski has five years (and can win despite being primaried), and... I don't know about Collins.
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There is talk that Collins is going to run for Governor anyway. I doubt she votes to repeal
 
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Can someone explain something to me, please?

I was listening to Ron Johnson (Senator from Wisconsin) on Morning Joe this morning. He's one of the sponsor's of the bill. He stated more than once that the Premiums that doubled and tripled for folks like myself was all "wasted" and that this bill fixes that. What does he mean by wasted? Where did the money go?

I don't see how it's responsible for someone in power to say something like that and not explain where the money went.

EDIT: This link I post without comment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/...dy-health-care.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Can someone explain something to me, please?

I was listening to Ron Johnson (Senator from Wisconsin) on Morning Joe this morning. He's one of the sponsor's of the bill. He stated more than once that the Premiums that doubled and tripled for folks like myself was all "wasted" and that this bill fixes that. What does he mean by wasted? Where did the money go?

I don't see how it's responsible for someone in power to say something like that and not explain where the money went.

EDIT: This link I post without comment.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/21/...dy-health-care.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur
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Obviously, tbe premiums went to the insurance companies. What they did with them is a good question.
 
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joecct said:
Obviously, tbe premiums went to the insurance companies. What they did with them is a good question.
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My understanding is that the Obamacare law states that ~85% of premiums have to be paid out in care. If that's true then what exactly is the waste? If it's not true then why aren't the offenders being prosecuted?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
My understanding is that the Obamacare law states that ~85% of premiums have to be paid out in care. If that's true then what exactly is the waste? If it's not true then why aren't the offenders being prosecuted?
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When executing a complex process, how much of the 85% went to additional overhead costs, assuming there were additional paper-pusher costs? Also, can those paper costs be built into that 85% figure?
 
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St. Clown said:
When executing a complex process, how much of the 85% went to additional overhead costs, assuming there were additional paper-pusher costs? Also, can those paper costs be built into that 85% figure?
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No.

The 85% goes to the hospital/Doctor/service_provider. The insurance company gets 15%. To eliminate the 15% of waste we should eliminate the insurance company. As for whether or not there is waste in the 85% that's the insurance company's only job right now. If they're failing that then they don't deserve the 15% they're getting.

In other words. I still do not understand Ron Johnson's premise. Or the entire Republican premise for that matter. As usual they're not living in reality.
 
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