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The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

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Handyman said:
Except that he set the parameters...he forced their hand by promising it so early on. He cant pass the buck because he is on record as wanting a bill, and supporting the bill that is now dead in the water.
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Well, somehow he promised easy quick ISIS destruction and he's managed to pass the buck on that. I think Trump will just sit back and say, "I'm rubber, and you're glue" to anyone who tries to say otherwise.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Well, from what I remember from his candidacy ISIS should be destroyed by now.
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What's your problem? He's doing tremendously against ISIS, and the good muslims love him very much. Sales of Ivanka's clothes are picking up again in Mosul.
 
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Kepler said:
To be fair, the Republican hatred of the poor does not discriminate on gender.

This, OTOH, is Gimme that Old Tyme Misogyny.
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I see Susan Collins is still on crack.

Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) echoed this view, telling reporters: "We need to make sure mental health and substance abuse and certain prevention services are covered."
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Susan, if you think that's staying in a GOP bill you're in the wrong party.
 
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Rover said:
I think Trump gets to pin this on Ryan and walks away. He can (credibly, for once) argue that he did all he could, but inherited a bill that was 40 votes short. Thanks to his efforts and personal lobbying he cut that down, but its up to Paul Ryan to manage his own caucus. Trump would have a point on that score if he chooses to play it that way.

What I could see happening is either Ryan puts it to a vote and sees it go down, or he delays it, gives in completely to the Knuckledragger Caucus, gets it passed by the narrowest of margins (really, every Rep in Hillary district can vote against it except for 2 and it'd pass) and then sends it to the Senate where it becomes Itch McConnell's problem with no chance of passing. No way 51 senators go along with repealing Medicare expansion, getting rid of minimum coverage requirements, repealing pre-existing condition protections and throwing up to 25 year olds off parents insurance. At some point this bill stopped making any semblance of sense.
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So say Trump does this. This bill is so far away from what he promised during the election, and what people are going to want, especially now after seeing what the GOP came p with as their "best" work, and it gets killed. The Freedumb Caucus will only support a bill that is even worse than what this one is, no pre-existing conditions, no young people carried on their parents policies, even less generous subsidies, etc. But then that alienates those in the "moderate" side who have been supporting this bill.

But any new bill would have to be even more generous than this one is, one, cause that's what Trumpy promised, and since the people have soundly rejected this crapshow, if he supports an even worse version, it risks alienating his supporters even more. And Trumpy so wants to be loved and admired by the peeps.

And the Freedumb Caucus will surely reject that one as well. Trump's got no way out of this mess other than to strip all the revenue-producing bits from Obamacare and let it strangle itself in a slow death, and then say, "See, I told you".
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I see Susan Collins is still on crack.



Susan, if you think that's staying in a GOP bill you're in the wrong party.
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She doesn't. she's just talking to the media so everyone can go on assuming she's a sane moderate Republican looking out for her constituents. Push comes to shove, she'll vote for it. Especially if she knows it's not gonna pass anyway. She's the worst kind of hack.
 
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rufus said:
But any new bill would have to be even more generous than this one is, one, cause that's what Trumpy promised, and since the people have soundly rejected this crapshow, if he supports an even worse version, it risks alienating his supporters even more. And Trumpy so wants to be loved and admired by the peeps.
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I think this is a misread. The vast majority of Trump's base will never realize the bill will hurt them, because their media will never tell them. Republicans live in the Matrix: the laws of physics (truth) are suspended. The facts don't matter. The dynamics of this fight are pure power politics. The voters will do what their trainers tell them to do, so they are a non-factor. The political fight is who gets to wield the choke-collar.
 
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rufus said:
So say Trump does this. This bill is so far away from what he promised during the election, and what people are going to want, especially now after seeing what the GOP came p with as their "best" work, and it gets killed. The Freedumb Caucus will only support a bill that is even worse than what this one is, no pre-existing conditions, no young people carried on their parents policies, even less generous subsidies, etc. But then that alienates those in the "moderate" side who have been supporting this bill.

But any new bill would have to be even more generous than this one is, one, cause that's what Trumpy promised, and since the people have soundly rejected this crapshow, if he supports an even worse version, it risks alienating his supporters even more. And Trumpy so wants to be loved and admired by the peeps.

And the Freedumb Caucus will surely reject that one as well. Trump's got no way out of this mess other than to strip all the revenue-producing bits from Obamacare and let it strangle itself in a slow death, and then say, "See, I told you".
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I don't think it matters what Trump promised. Promises is not what got him elected. And promises broken is not going to run him out of office. If there is any justice it will, however, destroy the hold the GOP has in Congress in 2018.
 
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The master negotiator failed.

WASHINGTON — GOP House leaders delayed their planned vote Thursday on a long-promised bill to repeal and replace "Obamacare," in a stinging setback for House Speaker Paul Ryan and President Donald Trump in their first major legislative test.

The decision came after Trump, who ran as a master dealmaker, failed to reach agreement with a bloc of rebellious conservatives. Moderate-leaning Republican lawmakers were also bailing on the legislation, leaving it short of votes.

The bill could still come to a vote in coming days, but canceling Thursday's vote was a significant defeat. It came on the seven-year anniversary of President Barack Obama signing the Affordable Care Act, years that Republicans have devoted to promising repeal.
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http://www.startribune.com/gop-health-bill-on-the-brink-hours-from-house-showdown-vote/416900504/
 
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Word is there will be no vote today.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I don't think it matters what Trump promised. Promises is not what got him elected. And promises broken is not going to run him out of office. If there is any justice it will, however, destroy the hold the GOP has in Congress in 2018.
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No, it won't run him out of office. But he said, whatever he comes up with, will be better than, and cost leas, than Obamacare, and it'll be "coverage for everybody". Yeah, his dumbass supporters hate Obamacare, but if they end up paying more for less under whatever plan Trumpcare is, they'll remember that, and they won't be happy.
 
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rufus said:
No, it won't run him out of office. But he said, whatever he comes up with, will be better than, and cost leas, than Obamacare, and it'll be "coverage for everybody". Yeah, his dumbass supporters hate Obamacare, but if they end up paying more for less under whatever plan Trumpcare is, they'll remember that, and they won't be happy.
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My point is it may get Congress turnover but not a single Trump supporter will be swayed.
 
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Kepler said:
Sharpen those spikes, Ty.
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If this totally derails it will be interesting to see if they scrap Health Care altogether and move on to tax reform. If they do and try to get reelected after running and winning almost exclusively on Obamacare it will be interesting to watch the fallout.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
If this totally derails it will be interesting to see if they scrap Health Care altogether and move on to tax reform. If they do and try to get reelected after running and winning almost exclusively on Obamacare it will be interesting to watch the fallout.
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The tax package is the whole ballgame, of course. All the rest of this sh-t was just to put them into a position where they could stage The Heist, just like last time (Dubya) and the time before (Reagan).

Meanwhile they can engineer the .001% tax cut on health care by just refusing to collect that revenue, which will also bankrupt the entire health care infrastructure after which Khalid Sheikh Mohammed Ryan can stand atop the smoldering rubble and say, "See? I told you tall buildings aren't safe! Allahu Aetna!"
 
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