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The PPACA Thread Part IV - Repeal & Replace, or Something...

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That law wont pass...the same people who wouldnt vote last time because "it was still too liberal" will vote against it this time. Every time he tries to keep the "pre-existing conditions" in he will lose.

And even if the "waivers" were enough to appease them (it isnt) the "moderate" Republicans wont support it because they will catch hell for supporting a plan that can still kick off millions of people and wont be any more affordable.

He cant have his cake and eat it too...he either needs a full repeal or he needs to walk away. The Dems are solid against him and his party is split on what they will support.
 
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Handyman said:
That law wont pass...the same people who wouldnt vote last time because "it was still too liberal" will vote against it this time. Every time he tries to keep the "pre-existing conditions" in he will lose.

And even if the "waivers" were enough to appease them (it isnt) the "moderate" Republicans wont support it because they will catch hell for supporting a plan that can still kick off millions of people and wont be any more affordable.

He cant have his cake and eat it too...he either needs a full repeal or he needs to walk away. The Dems are solid against him and his party is split on what they will support.
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I admire Trump's ability to get the press to roll over and fetch on command, but what I don't understand is are they 1) still passing a massive tax cut for the 1%, and 2) are they still getting rid of the Medicaid expansion? If so then by all means they need to pass this thing immediately. Good luck as a moderate sitting in a Dem district and running on that next year.
 
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Rover said:
I admire Trump's ability to get the press to roll over and fetch on command, but what I don't understand is are they 1) still passing a massive tax cut for the 1%, and 2) are they still getting rid of the Medicaid expansion? If so then by all means they need to pass this thing immediately. Good luck as a moderate sitting in a Dem district and running on that next year.
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The GOP is running into the difficulty of having to face the voters when they are responsible for policy. Their whole shtick is screaming from the gallery that EVERYTHING SUCKS!!! and GUBMINT IS INCOMPETENT!!!!, and the type of people who flood YouTube and Twitter with "burn it all down" flaming go along with them.

Now that they have to be responsible, they can't do that anymore.

The GOP was the bad boy adolescent rebel living with his boring Democratic parents who were making sure he got meals and had a roof over his head. He spent all his time cursing them out about how "you're not fair!" and "rules are tyrannical!" and that made a big impression on the middle school kids.

Then the voters took him up on his challenge and gave him his "freedom."

So now he's just a jobless loser still hanging around the high school even though he's 26. The people who never liked him now just laugh at him, and the people who did like him wish he would clean up his act and start taking some responsibility.
 
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Rover said:
I admire Trump's ability to get the press to roll over and fetch on command, but what I don't understand is are they 1) still passing a massive tax cut for the 1%, and 2) are they still getting rid of the Medicaid expansion? If so then by all means they need to pass this thing immediately. Good luck as a moderate sitting in a Dem district and running on that next year.
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Well the one thing the moderates could hope is that people arent engaged a second time around...problem is they will be MORE engaged because now they see it coming. The town halls havent been easing up on the GOPers that support this crap and the Georgia 6th is showing that no district is safe with Trump as President.

The ACHA in any form is an albatross for the GOP...they need to take the hit and repeal. They cant leave ObamaCare in place because half of them ran on repealing it and everyone can see they are the ones in control. Fixing it isnt enough and the half measures wont pass for various reasons. Their only shot is to rip off the band-aid and embrace the horror. They try and appease everyone and they will get waved out in 2 years...just ask the Dems. (this is how the Dems do politics wishy washy and with no spine)
 
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Handyman said:
Well the one thing the moderates could hope is that people arent engaged a second time around...problem is they will be MORE engaged because now they see it coming. The town halls havent been easing up on the GOPers that support this crap and the Georgia 6th is showing that no district is safe with Trump as President.
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This is true. Those town halls have been brutal, and the aw shucks I'm just a regular Joe/Jill types who have been letting them have it are the worst possible optics for them, especially when every night the face of their party slimes his way into everyone's living room to say something else that's stupid / crazy and/or evil.

Trump is his own Vietnam. Johnson was destroyed by the footage every night. Trump makes his own footage, and has no idea that he is taking down himself and his entire party. It would be funny if it wasn't so... nah. It's funny.
 
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Kepler said:
This is true. Those town halls have been brutal, and the aw shucks I'm just a regular Joe/Jill types who have been letting them have it are the worst possible optics for them, especially when every night the face of their party slimes his way into everyone's living room to say something else that's stupid / crazy and/or evil.

Trump is his own Vietnam. Johnson was destroyed by the footage every night. Trump makes his own footage, and has no idea that he is taking down himself and his entire party. It would be funny if it wasn't so... nah. It's funny.
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It would be funny, if there wasnt still like 30% of the people who think he is Jesus incarnate...
 
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Handyman said:
Well the one thing the moderates could hope is that people arent engaged a second time around...problem is they will be MORE engaged because now they see it coming. The town halls havent been easing up on the GOPers that support this crap and the Georgia 6th is showing that no district is safe with Trump as President.

The ACHA in any form is an albatross for the GOP...they need to take the hit and repeal. They cant leave ObamaCare in place because half of them ran on repealing it and everyone can see they are the ones in control. Fixing it isnt enough and the half measures wont pass for various reasons. Their only shot is to rip off the band-aid and embrace the horror. They try and appease everyone and they will get waved out in 2 years...just ask the Dems. (this is how the Dems do politics wishy washy and with no spine)
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I agree. Straight Repeal is their only way out.

Who knew Health Care could be so complicated?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I agree. Straight Repeal is their only way out.

Who knew Health Care could be so complicated?
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Even that is hard to get the ones in swing district to go for. See what happened to Barbara Comstock last month.
 
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French Rage said:
Even that is hard to get the ones in swing district to go for. See what happened to Barbara Comstock last month.
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Oh, true, I understand that but all these "trouble" district RNC congress people hooked themselves to the repeal wagon. It was so easy to vote repeal when Obama was in office. Now they back down?

Case in point.

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/262071-senate-approves-bill-repealing-much-of-obamacare


The House bill eliminates the individual and employer mandates, the "Cadillac tax" on expensive insurance plans and the medical device tax.

The question of how to handle Medicaid was a thorny one for McConnell because it pitted conservatives, who demanded a repeal, against Republican colleagues from states that expanded the safety-net program.

“I am very concerned about the 160,000 people who had Medicaid expansion in my state. I have difficulty with that being included,” Sen. Shelley Moore Capito, a Republican from West Virginia, told The Hill earlier this month.

Vulnerable GOP incumbents face reelection next year in several states that have expanded Medicaid: Illinois, New Hampshire, Ohio and Pennsylvania.

McConnell eased their concerns by phasing in the repeal over two years to give the federal government and states time to come up with a replacement program.
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They passed that under Obama. They still got elected no problem after passing that bill. What gives?
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I agree. Straight Repeal is their only way out.
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And the optimal way for them to have done that was rolling right out of the gate. The longer it goes the more people educate themselves and say "holy sh-t!"

Now even if they somehow manage something they can call repeal, 80% of the country is going to blame them for the inevitable as-sf-cking they take at the hands of the insurers.

Worse for them, a lot of people are starting to realize how the GOP has been systemically sabotaging the ACA, so even the problems with Obamacare are starting ot be laid at their feet. And by personalizing their opposition in order to ride racial anxiety, now that whole show is blown when Barack is sailboarding in Aruba or climbing the Matterhorn or whatever Most Interesting Man in the World sh-t he's doing this week. The GOP in general and Trump in particular are a lame follow-up act.
 
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Weasel Paul Ryan has one thing right, which is the GOP has been out of being the governing party for so long they've forgotten a lot of things. One of which is the rules have changed. Used to be the GOP could rely on a cowardly DC press core to not point out hypocrisy and contradictions for fear of being labeled as "biased". Now that the public gets their info outside of the Beltway Bobs in the lamestream media, all this stuff comes to light almost immediately. Yet the zombie Goopers who have been in Congress for awhile haven't adjusted to that new reality.

But, by all means pass this bill Congress. Also include tax breaks for all moderate members to help defray the cost of acquiring that target that's going to be on their backs from now until election day. :D
 
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Freedom Caucus backs the new TrumpCare, meaning it's now evil enough for their vote.
 
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bronconick said:
Freedom Caucus backs the new TrumpCare, meaning it's now evil enough for their vote.
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I wonder if it will pass the Senate? I have a hard time believing it will. It will get zero Democrats. And will it even pass the House now? There is a moderate Repub contingent in the House. Very small. If they don't vote for it it doesn't happen either.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I wonder if it will pass the Senate? I have a hard time believing it will. It will get zero Democrats. And will it even pass the House now? There is a moderate Repub contingent in the House. Very small. If they don't vote for it it doesn't happen either.
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It won't pass the Senate, the scum-suckers don't have 60.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
We could hope that Trump publicly asks the Turtle to go nuclear. It would be a fund raising bonanza for Democrats.
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I kind of doubt that they would even have 50 with all the info out about this "wonderful" bill. Turtle won't go nuclear to lose the vote 52-48
 
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bronconick said:
I kind of doubt that they would even have 50 with all the info out about this "wonderful" bill. Turtle won't go nuclear to lose the vote 52-48
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Well, that's highly disappointing. It's almost like they have control of everything but still don't have enough power to hang themselves.
 
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This is somewhat awesome. If they don't pass it they look impotent. If they DO pass it, even better! Too many GOP reps get to cloak themselves with a "moderate" label ala Cryin' John Boner because they aren't certifiably insane. Support for this bill is going to put an end to that. Bottom line is, massive tax cut for the 1% paid for by a repeal of the Medicaid expansion! What's not to love? :D
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
We could hope that Trump publicly asks the Turtle to go nuclear. It would be a fund raising bonanza for Democrats.
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I believe the headcount on Senators who want to see the end of 60 for legislation is something like 72-28 against. The Freedumbs are for it, but everybody else -- even such far-sighted intellectuals as James Inhofe -- is agin' it.
 
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