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The PPACA Implementation Phase II - Love it or Lose it!

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Heaven forbid there should be plan for disaster recovery/business continuity and load balancing. You know, what they didn't have the last time around.

Look, I hardly think Obamacare is a perfect system, but I'm resigned to the fact that it's not going away. They might as well be preparing to make the best of it. There are now too many previously uninsured people on the rolls, and congressional Republicans know that. All this talk of repeal is pure bluster.
 
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FreshFish said:
Whoo Hoo! Here we go again!




Does a law mean what the plain simple English language text says in black and white? or will SCOTUS somehow contort it into something else?

"It depends upon what you mean by 'is'."
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Are you looking forward to getting Astroglided by Roberts again? :eek: See, from a "strict constructionalist" standpoint, nothing in the law states that federal exchanges can't get subsidies. All you have is a vague reference to states, and in fact each exchange is specific to its own state, whether set up by the feds, the state, or a partnership.

Either way, it would be funny if the SCOTUS did rule against the subsidies, because you've now stuck people predominately in "Red" states with a pretty big bill, and they're going to be looking to Republicans to fix it! In short, conservatives would now own the ACA! That's pretty funny when you think about it. :D
 
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The best part of all this is that the GOP guvs who pandered to the Teahadists and refused to set up exchanges were only able to because of the federal fallback. They were the elementary school bully who makes sure his friends grab his arms before yelling "lemme go! I'll moider the bums!"

The Hypocrisy Index for the Republicans is always pegged at 11, but even by their historical standards this has been some fine tub thumping.
 
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Kepler said:
The best part of all this is that the GOP guvs who pandered to the Teahadists and refused to set up exchanges were only able to because of the federal fallback. They were the elementary school bully who makes sure his friends grab his arms before yelling "lemme go! I'll moider the bums!"

The Hypocrisy Index for the Republicans is always pegged at 11, but even by their historical standards this has been some fine tub thumping.
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The goals may be worthy but it is one badly written piece of legislation. It's not the first piece of legislation that would have flunked elementary school grammar back in the 60's, but it is one of the worst.

Congre$$ional committees should have a grammatician on staff to make sure that what is written is what is meant.
 
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Since I'm sure we'll get a wealth of stories about premiums jumping by a billion percent as open enrollment periods get into full swing, of the four plans offered to the majority of state workers in Iowa, 2 jumped by close to 20% while the other two rose by about 5%, though the ones the rose more are still far cheaper than the other two. Last year they had all dropped by about 5% each.
 
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My wifes job supplies our insurance went up 8%, it goes up every year so......
 
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Gruber. If I was him I would find a remote hermit cave and go off the radar for a few months.
 
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Saw a report on CBS this morning that generics have seen a massive increase in price over the last year. Most experts pointed to consolidation as the main culprit.

If Obama wants this law to work he needs to make sure the justice department is doing its job to protect the marketplace. They allow the massive telecoms and pharmaceutical mergers but when 3M tried to buy Avery Dennison it was all hands on deck to protect the fragile and strategically important post it market.
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Saw a report on CBS this morning that generics have seen a massive increase in price over the last year. Most experts pointed to consolidation as the main culprit.

If Obama wants this law to work he needs to make sure the justice department is doing its job to protect the marketplace. They allow the massive telecoms and pharmaceutical mergers but when 3M tried to buy Avery Dennison it was all hands on deck to protect the fragile and strategically important post it market.
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Pharmaceutical and Telecom have better lobbyists.
 
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joecct said:
Gruber. If I was him I would find a remote hermit cave and go off the radar for a few months.
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Ya think?

WASHINGTON — A top architect of ObamaCare is under heavy fire after saying the “stupidity” of the American public was critical to the law’s passage — along with deliberate subterfuges. [emphasis added]

“Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage,” the adviser, MIT health economist Jonathan Gruber, declared in newly unearthed video from an academic conference at the University of Pennsylvania in 2013.

“And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really, really critical for the thing to pass,” he added.

“Look, I wish . . . that we could make it all transparent, but I’d rather have this law than not.”

Gruber also pointed to deliberate efforts by the administration and congressional backers to include mandates and subsidies for insurance rather than levying what might be called a “tax.”

“This bill was written in a tortured way to make sure [the Congressional Budget Office] did not score the [health-care] mandate as taxes. If CBO scored the mandate as taxes, the bill dies. OK, so it’s written to do that,” he explained.

“If you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in — you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed.”
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Telling the truth is one thing, but speaking it in such contemptuous tones is quite another.
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"telling the truth" retroactively while admitting that you deliberately misled people earlier? that's another thing entirely, no? "yeah, we 'had to' lie or else the bill would never have passed."

and that is now what is behind so much of the outrage in certain quarters, the overt acknowledgement now that they were knowingly lying then.

For the SCOTUS jurists who believe in "original intent", what to make of this, eh??
 
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Ummm...this guy is an economist. He had nothing to do with the drafting of the bill. Therefore his opinion of its writing is as relevant as anybody else's who wasn't part of crafting the law. In short, not very illuminating unless he can read minds.
 
Rover said:
Ummm...this guy is an economist. He had nothing to do with the drafting of the bill. Therefore his opinion of its writing is as relevant as anybody else's who wasn't part of crafting the law. In short, not very illuminating unless he can read minds.
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Have you seen the Pelosi video where she gives him the lion's share off the credit for the bill?
 
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Rover said:
Ummm...this guy is an economist. He had nothing to do with the drafting of the bill. Therefore his opinion of its writing is as relevant as anybody else's who wasn't part of crafting the law. In short, not very illuminating unless he can read minds.
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This article tends to refute that claim. Since it's from a right wing propaganda rag, I'm sure you'll discount the validity of it.

After Mr. Gruber helped the administration put together the basic principles of the proposal, the White House lent him to Capitol Hill to help Congressional staff members draft the specifics of the legislation.
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busterman62 said:
This article tends to refute that claim. Since it's from a right wing propaganda rag, I'm sure you'll discount the validity of it.
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I noticed you stopped reading after a certain point, for it you had read the next sentence you would have seen:

After Mr. Gruber helped the administration put together the basic principles of the proposal, the White House lent him to Capitol Hill to help Congressional staff members draft the specifics of the legislation.

This assignment primarily involved asking his graduate student researchers to tweak his model’s software code. It was also almost entirely conducted from his home office, while his children were at school and then after they had gone to bed.


The guy's an economist putting together economic models. He had nothing to do with actually writing the law. What part of that are knuckledraggers struggling with?
 
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