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The PPACA Implementation Phase II - Love it or Lose it!

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FreshFish said:
Fortunately for them, they now can all get abortions for free if they get pregnant.....
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Probably a better option than a kid who will be sucking on the teat of society for a couple decades (or longer).
 
dxmnkd316 said:
Probably a better option than a kid who will be sucking on the teat of society for a couple decades (or longer).
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think how much though if the little sluts brought them babies to term and sold them for adoption!!! why should the chinese make all the money on american broads who can't conceive?!?!
 
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FreshFish said:
Saw an article somewhere today that said that the state of California released information stating that several of the "Navigators" for Obama'care' were convicted and served jail terms for financial crimes like forgery and theft. However, the state also refused to release the names of those former felons based on 'public policy' grounds: they didn't want people to lose confidence in the system.

Seems to me that it would increase confidence if people knew that the state could identify those folks. Go figure.
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"Saw an article somewhere today"....hmmmm....Drudge maybe?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
Keep telling yourself that. Eventually, you might be able to be convinced.
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Try it sometime. You might be a lot happier! :D

And if it offends your principles so much, just have the girl be the one to purchase the condoms before she visits you in your mom's basement. ;)
 
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Rover said:
Try it sometime. You might be a lot happier! :D

And if it offends your principles so much, just have the girl be the one to purchase the condoms before she visits you in your mom's basement. ;)
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When did virginity become a social disorder?
 
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FreshFish said:
They have this new invention, called a "search engine." You enter some key words and it shows you articles that contain those key words.
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Let me see if I have this straight....people convicted of non-violent minor crimes from decades earlier should not be allowed to have a govt job even if they've stayed out of trouble since then.

So Fishy....did you vote for George W Bush for Prez?!?! Because, as I recall, he was convicted of a crime (DUI) before he got his government job! :D :D :D

Sometimes, you just make it too easy for me...;)
 
joecct said:
When did virginity become a social disorder?
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There is nothing wrong with virginity. Trying to force everyone else to be virgins and acting like birth control is the devils work is where you cross the line to social disorder.
 
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unofan said:
There is nothing wrong with virginity. Trying to force everyone else to be virgins and acting like birth control is the devils work is where you cross the line to social disorder.
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The same can be said about trying to force everyone to subsidize the industry, thereby essentially promoting it. It's a two way street.

Rover obviously missed the mark by his original comment, though, because my point, as subtle as it may have been, was that the only reason I hear from people in support of the PPACA is that the prevention of offspring is "at no cost to the consumer". It had no bearing on any personal feelings I may or may not have concerning contraceptives.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
The same can be said about trying to force everyone to subsidize the industry, thereby essentially promoting it. It's a two way street.

Rover obviously missed the mark by his original comment, though, because my point, as subtle as it may have been, was that the only reason I hear from people in support of the PPACA is that the prevention of offspring is "at no cost to the consumer". It had no bearing on any personal feelings I may or may not have concerning contraceptives.
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The cost of free condoms is negligible relative to the cost of supporting unwanted pregnancies on the public dime.
 
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Conservatives on contraception:

1) We want to decide if you can use it or not, going so far as having pharmacists refuse to fill your prescription or sell condoms whether you're paying for it yourself or not.

2) We refuse to cover abortion and would outlaw it if we could.

3) But, if you have said kids, don't come asking for public assistance because we don't feel the need to give you any. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, get a PhD, and work as a six figure research scientist instead.

4) As an alternative, be celibate like us and you won't have these problems. As we conservatives have learned to surpress our sex drive due to years of rejection, so can you!

Does that about cover it? ;)
 
Rover said:
Conservatives on contraception:

1) We want to decide if you can use it or not, going so far as having pharmacists refuse to fill your prescription or sell condoms whether you're paying for it yourself or not.

2) We refuse to cover abortion and would outlaw it if we could.

3) But, if you have said kids, don't come asking for public assistance because we don't feel the need to give you any. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps, get a PhD, and work as a six figure research scientist instead.

4) As an alternative, be celibate like us and you won't have these problems. As we conservatives have learned to surpress our sex drive due to years of rejection, so can you!

Does that about cover it? ;)
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5. Even though the fiscally conservative position would be to support subsidized birth control since it costs a minute fraction of a pregnancy, we are still against it despite claiming to be fiscally conservative.
 
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unofan said:
5. Even though the fiscally conservative position would be to support subsidized birth control since it costs a minute fraction of a pregnancy, we are still against it despite claiming to be fiscally conservative.
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I think this one kind of missed the mark. I suspect the actual conservative position, both social and fiscal conservatives, would be they don't want to subsidize birth control (social, for religious reasons, fiscal for financial reasons), and if you go ahead and get pregnant the government shouldn't have to pay anything to subsidize that kid.

Your point is only true if you accept as a given a responsibility on the part of society as a whole to pay to raise and care for a kid. I'm not interested in seeing any kids left to starve in the cold, but I won't promise that certain segments of conservatives agree.
 
SJHovey said:
I think this one kind of missed the mark. I suspect the actual conservative position, both social and fiscal conservatives, would be they don't want to subsidize birth control (social, for religious reasons, fiscal for financial reasons), and if you go ahead and get pregnant the government shouldn't have to pay anything to subsidize that kid.

Your point is only true if you accept as a given a responsibility on the part of society as a whole to pay to raise and care for a kid. I'm not interested in seeing any kids left to starve in the cold, but I won't promise that certain segments of conservatives agree.
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Well yeah, providing no subsidized health care at all would be the most fiscally conservative position (good luck with that).

But in the real world where we have things like Medicaid, Medicare, and a law requiring ERs to treat anyone who walks in, subsidized birth control is still more fiscally conservative than burying one's head in the sand regarding anything related to sex and then covering the resulting pregnancies.

A pack of condoms costs a few dollars. An iud costs a few hundred but lasts for 5 years. A single healthy live birth in a hospital costs $20,000. And that doesn't include pre natal care or the costs of raising that child. If the child has to go to the NICU, you're looking at 6 figures, easily.
 
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