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The Power of the SCOTUS Part VI - Roberts rules disorder

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Kepler said:
Serious question: do you think Kagan and Sotomeyer are farther left than Scalia and Alito are right? (or substitute your choice of justices if you feel those aren't the extremes)

I feel like the court has 4 solid lefts, 4 solid rights, and 1 center-right (AK).
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Yes, I'd say so, though of course making such a statement is based on impression. I believe Scalia and Alito at times veer in different directions, while the court liberals stay in line pretty much without interruption. Rarely do you even see one of the liberal justices ask questions that aren't mostly or completely in line with their liberal philosophy toward cases. As I've said before, this court is a lot more liberal than most around here realize or at least indicate they realize. One's perspective on this of court depends on how one sees various recent cases and their relative importance (Citizens, Obamacare, previous gay rights cases, etc.).
 
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Bob Gray said:
Yes, I'd say so, though of course making such a statement is based on impression. I believe Scalia and Alito at times veer in different directions, while the court liberals stay in line pretty much without interruption. Rarely do you even see one of the liberal justices ask questions that aren't mostly or completely in line with their liberal philosophy toward cases. As I've said before, this court is a lot more liberal than most around here realize or at least indicate they realize. One's perspective on this of court depends on how one sees various recent cases and their relative importance (Citizens, Obamacare, previous gay rights cases, etc.).
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I think the Court (and country) tends to liberalize over time on social issues as barriers between groups are broken down and more "out" groups are brought "in," but the Court (and the portion of the country that politicians, businesses, and media respond to) has drifted farther and farther right on economic issues over the last 40 years. There has been a sort of river of progress on social issues since the 18th century; economics, OTOH, is a pendulum, and we have been in a rightward swing since around 1976, though enough anger is building that this may be near the point of reversal.
 
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The Next Thing may be drug legalization and reform of the criminal justice system (rights of the accused, creation of a real public defender infrastructure, prison reform, abolition of for-profit prisons, restoration of full rights after incarceration). They go hand in hand as so much imprisonment is linked to outdated drug laws.
 
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Kepler said:
Serious question: do you think Kagan and Sotomeyer are farther left than Scalia and Alito are right? (or substitute your choice of justices if you feel those aren't the extremes)

I feel like the court has 4 solid lefts, 4 solid rights, and 1 center-right (AK).
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I feel this court has 2 liberals, 2 left-center moderates, 2 center-right moderates and 3 neanderthals. No way in hell this Court abolishes Jim Crow laws (Brown) or allows people to buy birth control (Griswold) let alone legalizes abortion. They're much more likely to rule blacks are furniture (Scott) or "Separate but Equal" (Plessy) - even if that means Thomas has to take off his robes and go pick cotton after the vote.
 
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Priceless said:
I feel this court has 2 liberals, 2 left-center moderates, 2 center-right moderates and 3 neanderthals. No way in hell this Court abolishes Jim Crow laws (Brown) or allows people to buy birth control (Griswold) let alone legalizes abortion. They're much more likely to rule blacks are furniture (Scott) or "Separate but Equal" (Plessy) - even if that means Thomas has to take off his robes and go pick cotton after the vote.
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Wow. Just wow.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Yah. And there's lots like this out there.
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I'm sure you see this Court as 3 moderates and 6 Socialists. Just goes to show how far the playing field has changed that the ACA is considered a "liberal" idea.
 
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Priceless said:
I know. It's enough to make one weep.

Europeans look at how Americans define "liberal" and "Socialism" and laugh.
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And therein lies the difference. I don't look to the Euros for definition.
 
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Bob Gray said:
And therein lies the difference. I don't look to the Euros for definition.
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Yes I know Bob. America is all that matters! The rest of the world just exists to serve us.

We're like the Borg...
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
How about the Dictionary? Or is America immune to that as well?
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What? The OXFORD dictionary? That's not American! Merriam-Webster is from Massachusetts; that's as good as being European.

Besides, he don't need no fancy book learnin' when he can rely on his gut.
 
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Priceless said:
What? The OXFORD dictionary? That's not American! Merriam-Webster is from Massachusetts; that's as good as being European.

Besides, he don't need no fancy book learnin' when he can rely on his gut.
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You have to admire the right and their ability to redefine everything on their terms. It's quite an accomplishment.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
You have to admire the right and their ability to redefine everything on their terms. It's quite an accomplishment.
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It begins with their definition of themselves as the only true Americans. Everything follows from that.
 
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Priceless said:
Yes I know Bob. America is all that matters! The rest of the world just exists to serve us.

We're like the Borg...
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No, but I don't see the Euros and their many problems as being definitional for me. You have an active imagination.
 
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Kepler said:
It begins with their definition of themselves as the only true Americans. Everything follows from that.
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Given the case being discussed, you all live in fantasy land if you think conservatives are redefining things. Pure fantasy.
 
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