The Power of the SCOTUS III: Roberts' Rules of Order

[joecct]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS III: Roberts' Rules of Order

The power to tax is a wholly separate clause from the power to regulate interstate commerce. In theory, the government can impose a tax on anything, so long as it meets the few requirements listed in the constitution.

Yes. And that is the central argument. How much and how far can they go?

The Chief Justice put the onus on us to ensure that the Congress stays limited (how much is that?). But is the electorate willing?

 

[dxmnkd316]

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The Chief Justice put the onus on us to ensure that the Congress stays limited (how much is that?). But is the electorate willing?

In the beginning, there was, "We the People..."

 

[FreshFish]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS III: Roberts' Rules of Order

The power to tax is a wholly separate clause from the power to regulate interstate commerce. In theory, the government can impose a tax on anything, so long as it meets the few requirements listed in the constitution.

Yes, it is much easier for constituents to make their feelings heard when discussing taxes than when discussing regulations! Theory, meet practicality, meet voting booth every two years!

 

[Foxton]

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In the beginning, there was, "We the People..."

And the beginning or select passages is all that matters.

 

[dxmnkd316]

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And the beginning or select passages is all that matters.

Well, I was debating including all of the Constitution and Bill of Rights but thought better of it. Being serious for a second, I'm not sure what you're getting at...

 

[Priceless]

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Good news! I finally found a country where all these wannabe ex-pats can go to escape the oppressive heel of the Marxist Dictator from Kenya currently occupying the White House!

I give you the beautiful nation of...Senegal!

It is a Republic (the president serves 5 years instead of 4) with a House and Senate! And there are 80 political parties, so you're sure to find one radical enough for you! It is a tad warm (interior regions can approach 130) but you'll want to stay in Dakar, which is near the coast and a nice cool 75-85.

There is some bad news. There are only about 6 doctors/100,000 people (about 800 for the whole country), but hey, it's just another opportunity to pull yourselves up by your bootstraps without any pesky government telling you what to do! And hey, at least there are more Christians there than doctors! Unfortunately, the population is 94% Muslin, and the place is just crawling with..well..you know...darkies.

One-way flights to Dakar will run about $1500 (unless you choose a less than reputable airline) and take 20-30 hours of travel time.

Sounds like a great place to move to! Who wants to go?

 

[5mn_Major]

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Yes. And that is the central argument. How much and how far can they go?

The Chief Justice put the onus on us to ensure that the Congress stays limited (how much is that?). But is the electorate willing?

As it should be. Our laws should not be based on what passes the SC...they are not beholden to citizens nor are they experts in effective policy.

 

[geezer]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS III: Roberts' Rules of Order

Why its it always Canada? There are enough problems back home without importing more loons from both sides. Go to France or Greece fer crissakes!

France is even worse.

At this point, you're stuck with... probably some random West African nation.

Good news! I finally found a country where all these wannabe ex-pats can go to escape the oppressive heel of the Marxist Dictator from Kenya currently occupying the White House!

I give you the beautiful nation of...Senegal!... Who wants to go?

hmmmm.

 

[Priceless]

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At least people are keeping a level head about this.

"Benedict Roberts is the Timothy McVeigh of Obamacare."

Yikes!

 

[joecct]

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[Slap Shot]

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The most convincing case for repeal that I've seen comes from Ed Morrissey at hotair.com (yes, I know I'm not supposed to repeat anything from that site, give me a break here, he's the only person that's saying it out loud):

"Basically, this is a tax that you have to pay to private companies. For all of the screaming the Right did over single-payer — and for good, outcome-based reasons — at least the money paid by taxpayers would go directly to government. The Supreme Court has signed off on what is, in very practical terms, a tax levied by the insurance industry on Americans simply for existing. It’s an amazing, and fearsome, decision that really should have both Right and Left horrified."

On reflection, others have pointed out that we can now legally be taxed for not buying, say, vitamin C... or enough shampoo, by the companies that manufacture those.

So now everyone can at least agree that a single-payer plan will be an improvement over the new status quo. Which many claim was Obama's goal all along (to create discontent with an increbibly shitty plan). If so, he's the best politician in history and gets my vote simply for a brilliantly innovative way to get his master plan put into action. More likely, it's already an incredible mess as it appears like everything else the government has ever done to "help" the ignorant masses.

Cripes, I agree.

The fact that you don't like the three conservative judges...

It's not a fact he doesn't "like" them. This isn't supposed to be 5th grade with boys and girls passing notes with boxes asking them to be checked by a member of the opposite sex.

 

[Bakunin]

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The child care tax credit can easily be seen as a tax on childless couples. So again, is it purely the semantics? If this were a "you're not a free rider" tax credit for people with insurance rather than a tax penalty for those without insurance, you'd be fine with it?

No, but at least that approach would certainly have fit in better with the rest of the idiotic tax code. The public is used to seeing tax credits/deductions set up as rewards for certain behaviors.

 

[Priceless]

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A Chief Justice appointed by George W Bush finds a law thought up by Mitt Romney to be Constitutional and somehow it's Socialism...

 

[Bakunin]

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A Chief Justice appointed by George W Bush finds a law thought up by Mitt Romney to be Constitutional and somehow it's Socialism...

Too easy.

Romney: was governor of a lefty state on the east coast
Bush: approved NCLB and the addition of a costly prescription drug benefit to Medicare

 

[Priceless]

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Too easy.

Romney: was governor of a lefty state on the east coast
Bush: approved NCLB and the addition of a costly prescription drug benefit to Medicare

So they are Socialists?

 

[bronconick]

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Well, it was largely thought up by the Heritage Foundation originally.

Clearly communists.

 

[ScoobyDoo]

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Too easy.

Romney: was governor of a lefty state on the east coast
Bush: approved NCLB and the addition of a costly prescription drug benefit to Medicare

Correct. Because the Republican Party doesn't have the balls to nominate a true conservative for President.

 

[joecct]

Re: The Power of the SCOTUS III: Roberts' Rules of Order

Correct. Because the Republican Party doesn't have the balls to nominate a true conservative for President.

1964 - he got killed

A true conservative will probably scare the pants off the current GOP. I read a good definition of a conservative in an e-novel a while back. Let me dig it up an post it later today after I get back from hitting the little white balls in 100 degree weather.

 

[Kepler]

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Let me dig it up an post it later today after I get back from hitting the little white balls in 100 degree weather.

That didn't work out so well for Sandusky.

 

[Kepler]

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Even though the premise is a falsehood, that's a beautiful cartoon.

Seriously, how many cartoonists can actually draw anymore?