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The Power of the SCOTUS II: "Release the Kagan!"

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There is little doubt that marriage has become devalued because of the complete lack of respect that many heterosexual couples give to the union. At some point I have a feeling this battle will be won by gays and lesbians because heterosexual couples have made a mockery of marriage so how could anyone say it would get any worse by preventing same sex marriage?
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
There is little doubt that marriage has become devalued because of the complete lack of respect that many heterosexual couples give to the union. At some point I have a feeling this battle will be won by gays and lesbians because heterosexual couples have made a mockery of marriage so how could anyone say it would get any worse by preventing same sex marriage?
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So we should get back to multiple partners, dowries, and lots of other things that have that old timey sexist and racist goodness.

Marriage is nothing more than a social construct to signify the union between two or as has been the case often throughout history, more than two people. That religion has made such a huge push to make it into something sacred doesn't change it from being just another social contract that they have no more hold over than anyone else. Even if all marriages really became "civil unions" everyone would just say they're married anyways.

Also, allowing lesbian/gay marriage isn't some attempt to devalue it. If they held such little esteem for it there wouldn't be any fight to be able to do it.
 
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Bob Gray said:
There are a whole lot of assumptions built into what you've just said there though. I hesitate to discuss in detail because I'll get the usual assortment of folks climbing all over me. For example, you cite certain things that give rise to faiths. Suffice it to say, for example, Christianity didn't come into place because of aims like keeping kids safe or your tribe in ascendency. Life and existence and what we do are given purpose within God's created order and his plan for relationship with man. Very different than how Carl Sagan saw things. Now, on the surface they might seem to result in similar behaviors at times, but the underlying belief system and purpose for what is done are radically different.
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I'd love discussing the metaphysical and ethical aspects in depth but, as you said, not here.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Makes me sad to see you say things like this. :(
But such is the way many think these days.
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Boo hoo. Let me get you a kleenex. You don't want gay marriage because it's written in a book of fairy tales that it's a sin. This is the same book of fairy tales that tells you not to eat shellfish, owning slaves is A-OK and working on Sunday will earn you a rock upside the head. It also has people than had hundreds of wives...how does that jive with the "one man, one woman" slogan?

Use whatever language you want to justify it. At the end of the day that is your argument. "Metaphysical and ethical aspects" aren't part of the equation.
 
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Priceless said:
Boo hoo. Let me get you a kleenex. You don't want gay marriage because it's written in a book of fairy tales that it's a sin. This is the same book of fairy tales that tells you not to eat shellfish, owning slaves is A-OK and working on Sunday will earn you a rock upside the head. It also has people than had hundreds of wives...how does that jive with the "one man, one woman" slogan?

Use whatever language you want to justify it. At the end of the day that is your argument. "Metaphysical and ethical aspects" aren't part of the equation.
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Sad. No two ways about it. :(
Have a good weekend.
 
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Priceless said:
Discuss whatever you want. At the end of this debate this statement sums up your side of the argument.
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Frankly I don't give a **** about gay marriage one way or the other - there are far more important issues of immediate importance.

But you really are being an *** on this one.
 
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Bob Gray said:
I don't get the comment about going with your morals by screwing your political beliefs. For me the two go hand in hand.
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The problem is when some (not you) insist on applying relgious beliefs in place of moral beleifs when it comes to implementing govermental policy. One may morally oppose abortion, but the loudest advocates ignore morality and insist on applying God to the conversation which utterly destroys civil discourse on the matter.
 
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unofan said:
Frankly I don't give a **** about gay marriage one way or the other - there are far more important issues of immediate importance.

But you really are being an *** on this one.
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Did I miss something? Priceless just made a claim about Bob's posting habits...in a civil manner. To me that's ok...if anything ask Priceless to prove it. Its much more immature to make personal shots...ie call someone brain damaged or a communist.

Slap Shot said:
The problem is when some (not you) insist on applying relgious beliefs in place of moral beleifs when it comes to implementing govermental policy. One may morally oppose abortion, but the loudest advocates ignore morality and insist on applying God to the conversation which utterly destroys civil discourse on the matter.
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Don't know if your refering to me but...

Isn't behaving in the footsteps of God in the old testament or Jesus in the new...the same as having that morality? Basically what much of religion is based on...is a system of morality. And while old testament seems pretty reactionary by societal standards...IMO new testament morality is the direction society has been heading since the bible hit the hands of the people 400 years ago.
 
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unofan said:
Frankly I don't give a **** about gay marriage one way or the other - there are far more important issues of immediate importance.

But you really are being an *** on this one.
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If calling out bigotry makes me an ass then so be it.
 
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Slap Shot said:
The problem is when some (not you) insist on applying relgious beliefs in place of moral beleifs when it comes to implementing govermental policy. One may morally oppose abortion, but the loudest advocates ignore morality and insist on applying God to the conversation which utterly destroys civil discourse on the matter.
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Bingo!
 
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Judiciary committee votes 13-6 today in favor of Kagan. 12 Dems + Lindsey Graham.
 
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Snowe falls.

So to nobody's surprised, Kagan's a done dealio.

Presumably Ginsberg will be next (by age and bad health). Perhaps she'll be the third annual Feb/Mar announcement.
 
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Slap Shot said:
The problem is when some (not you) insist on applying relgious beliefs in place of moral beleifs when it comes to implementing govermental policy. One may morally oppose abortion, but the loudest advocates ignore morality and insist on applying God to the conversation which utterly destroys civil discourse on the matter.
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So if you're a religious person you are supposed to develop a separate set of morals that have no basis in your religious beliefs? That just doesn't make a lick of sense. Morals don't just come in the mail and you install them like a software program. If you are non-religious, then I can understand of course you'd look elsewhere for your basis for your morals, but if you are religious, I just don't get how your religious beliefs can't impact, very likely heavily, your morals.
 
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