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The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

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Bob Gray said:
I've posted lots of info on that a number of times in the past around here. If you google for two seconds you would find plenty on it. The PP supporters around here haven't denied it in the past, they just try to say that she's ancient history and not reflective of the current organization, even though the current organization honors her in many ways.

Here's some quotes from her. Her desire to exterminate "the Negro population" is one of the real eye openers.

http://www.lifenews.com/2013/03/11/10-eye-opening-quotes-from-planned-parenthood-founder-margaret-sanger/

Here's an example of the info out there on Sanger, PP, and their ties to the Nazis.
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Fair enough, I suppose. I'd question that "Life News" source, but I suppose it's no less accurate than any of the Maddow and Daily Kos citations that pop up around here.

Bob Gray said:
The usual complain about the source instead of discuss the content. Do you have some alternative history of Sanger you'd like to produce? :rolleyes:
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Bob, even today's middle schoolers know that try as they might, they can't get away with a Wikipedia citation. I would've accepted almost anything else, because while it may be exaggerated, at least it's not an editable article.
 
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FreshFish said:
The far more damaging problem is the widespread perception that voter fraud occurs, and tilts elections consistently to the same side.

If people cannot trust the integrity of elections, that changes the entire dynamic in a very unhealthy way. It's one thing to feel, "okay, well, they won fair and square" and go along with the results, it is different to have sullen resentment if not outright anger that they stole an election and then rammed through legislation that a majority of the country opposed, legislation that costs trillions of dollars that people cannot afford, etc. etc. That kind of perception tears the country apart. It's also in many people's minds a dangerous step from a democratic republic to a totalitarian regime.
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Apparently there's no level of b.s. you won't stoop to.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Certainly Sanger wasn't on board with many things the Nazis did, at least from what I've read. But, their common interest in creating a purer greater race, eliminating less desirable groups of people, and such are quite apparent.
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So, you're coming out against Birth Control, Bob? That's a strong position.

See, I can draw lines that don't exist as well.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
So, you're coming out against Birth Control, Bob? That's a strong position.

See, I can draw lines that don't exist as well.
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Eugenics goes far beyond birth control, which you'd know if you're paying attention. You on board with exterminating the Negro population, like Sanger promoted?

Which part of this quote from one of Sanger's books doesn't sink in?

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
 
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Bob Gray said:
Eugenics goes far beyond birth control, which you'd know if you're paying attention. You on board with exterminating the Negro population, like Sanger promoted?

Which part of this quote from one of Sanger's books doesn't sink in?

"We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
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Yes, Bob. I'm fully supporting Eugenics. It's a great idea. :rolleyes:

Wooooooooooooooooooooooooooosh.
 
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FreshFish said:
um, Margaret Sanger's interest in promoting birth control as a way to keep "unwanted" populations from growing in number is pretty widespread knowledge, if I recall correctly.
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So what? Implying that Planned Parenthood is some sort of sneaky cover for eugenics in 2014 because of what its founder personally believed in 1920 would be like saying, "Look out for that United States of America - you know that most of its founding fathers owned slaves, right?"
 
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LynahFan said:
So what? Implying that Planned Parenthood is some sort of sneaky cover for eugenics in 2014 because of what its founder personally believed in 1920 would be like saying, "Look out for that United States of America - you know that most of its founding fathers owned slaves, right?"
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Pretty much
 
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Let's say arguendo that Margaret Sanger is History's Greatest Monster, narrowly edging out Jimmy Carter.

What relevance does that have for women's reproductive rights now?
 
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FreshFish said:
The far more damaging problem is the widespread perception that voter fraud occurs, and tilts elections consistently to the same side.

We know for sure that voter fraud occurs. It makes no sense whatsoever to say that we should just be fine with it and allow it to keep going on.
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If it is true that the perception of voter fraud is more damaging that the amount of fraud that is actually occurring, then the people primarily responsible for the damage are those who are deliberately feeding that perception.
 
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burd said:
If it is true that the perception of voter fraud is more damaging that the amount of fraud that is actually occurring, then the people primarily responsible for the damage are those who are deliberately feeding that perception.
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Neither "side" has exactly covered themselves in glory here, IMHO. We all know it does exist to some degree. We also know that people are required to have picture ID for lots of different reasons in daily life.

It seems that people could pretty easily come to a compromise: yeah, we want more than just lip service to "one person, one vote." How can presenting a valid picture ID to vote be much of a burden if people already need to present picture ID for lots of other things already anyway?

Saying people who favor voter ID are somehow trying to disenfranchise potential voters flies in the face of empirical evidence, studies indicate that minority turnout has been increasing as voter ID laws spread.

Both "sides" are disingenuously demagoging this issue when they could just as easily settle it and move on.


What is really ironic to me about the whole "debate" is how quickly people's tone changes when it comes to challenging signatures on nominating petitions. Suddenly everything is turned around. The same people who are the most vocal against voter ID are often leading the charge to get someone tossed off the ballot for not having valid signatures. "We can't have voter ID when my candidate is on the ballot, but let someone try to get another candidate on the ballot and we'll do what we can stop them."


These kinds of inconsistencies sure make it sound like expediency, and not principle, is the only thing that matters.
 
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LynahFan said:
Ha ha ha ha. If your day job doesn't work out, there's always standup comedy - perhaps you and joecct can form a duo act.

It's completely laughable that anyone would equate couples' voluntary termination of pregnancies due to birth defects and other issues with a national program of state-enforced abortions for the purpose of altering the gene pool at large (you know, eugenics).
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Why? Women are terminating penalties because the baby is the wrong sex, the baby comes at an inconvenient time, and Downs Syndrome. Life has become cheap.

And if you give me a minute or two I'll find Sanger's quotes on keeping the minorities down.

1) Public Papers of Margaret Sanger - "The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda"

2) "Wickedness and the New Race" - Ch 6 "Wickedness of Large Families"
[We should] apply a stern and rigid policy of sterilization and segregation to that grade of population whose progeny is tainted, or whose inheritance is such that objectionable traits may be transmitted to offspring.
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3) "Women, Morality and Birth Control" 1922 pg 12
We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don’t want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members.
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4) April 1932 "Birth Control Review" pg 108
Birth control must lead ultimately to a cleaner race.
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Can somebody tell me who died and left conservatives in charge of the reproductive and medical decisions of total strangers?
 
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