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The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

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Not at all what was posted. The post was strictly limited to the context of inequality: which has grown worse more in the past six years in than in the preceding eight. Nothing said about "success". Comment ONLY about the widening inequality: the person who preaches about inequality also has presided over more of it. and policies adopted since 2008 have led directly to it becoming worse (e.g., quantitative easing, bailing out banks and GM, "cash for clunkers" which made used cars far more expensive, preferential treatment of already-advantaged special interest groups, etc. etc.).

Not saying the preceding eight years were great, merely observing that some people say one thing and then do another. Generally, attempts to directly address income inequality invariably exacerbate the situation given that the rich and well-connected dominate politics and government.

Serious question/comment:

Define "worse". As in the percent gap, nominal gap, or real gap?
 
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I'm still waiting for the first person who complains about "rich" people getting "richer" to demonstrate by their actions how they won't stand for it.

Who'll be the first to give up their smart phone and iPad, since they made Steve Jobs and his successors rich?

Who'll be the first to stop using Windows, since it made Bill Gates rich?

Who'll be the first to abandon air conditioning, since it made Willis Carrier and his heirs rich?

Who'll be the first to stop using elevators, since they made Elisha Otis and his heirs rich?

Who'll be the first to stop using steel, since it made Andrew Carnegie and his heirs rich?


These people became "rich" because their inventions made life so much better for EVERYONE. Would you rather we do without these inventions instead, because they led to such immense personal wealth for their inventors?
 
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Well, at least you admit you're painting me with a broadbrush for political purposes. Doesn't have to be that way you know?

Sure it does Bob and here's why. Bush was the worst President in most people's memory. Yes, some people may remember Hoover (including my grandfather, I'll have to ask him next time I call him), but for the rest of us, he's an unmitigated disaster. The American people need a constant reminder of how bad his policies were, so we don't elect another one like him. And to reiterate, both McCain and Romney ran essentually on his same issues. :eek: I get the sense from your postings its not Bush's issues you have a problem with, its his decision making. Maybe you feel that gives you enough distance from him, but for us its 6 of one half dozen of the other.

When both conservatism and the Republican party move away from what I'll call The Bush Doctrine (tax cuts for the rich financed by deficit spending, massive increases in military budget, unending wars on flimsy evidence, scapegoating certain classes of Americans for political gain, laissez faire approach to the economy, etc) then give me a call. However, do you truly believe we won't another clone on these issues in 2016 just dressed up in a different package?
 
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Sure it does Bob and here's why. Bush was the worst President in most people's memory. Yes, some people may remember Hoover (including my grandfather, I'll have to ask him next time I call him), but for the rest of us, he's an unmitigated disaster. The American people need a constant reminder of how bad his policies were, so we don't elect another one like him. And to reiterate, both McCain and Romney ran essentually on his same issues. :eek: I get the sense from your postings its not Bush's issues you have a problem with, its his decision making. Maybe you feel that gives you enough distance from him, but for us its 6 of one half dozen of the other.

When both conservatism and the Republican party move away from what I'll call The Bush Doctrine (tax cuts for the rich financed by deficit spending, massive increases in military budget, unending wars on flimsy evidence, scapegoating certain classes of Americans for political gain, laissez faire approach to the economy, etc) then give me a call. However, do you truly believe we won't another clone on these issues in 2016 just dressed up in a different package?
You're trying to split hairs there, my friend. I opposed Bush on major things, yet that doesn't fit your easy narrative, so you try to explain away my opposition to Bush. Nice try again, but it doesn't hold water. Issues vs. decision making? What kind of nonsense is that?
 
Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

I'm still waiting for the first person who complains about "rich" people getting "richer" to demonstrate by their actions how they won't stand for it.

Who'll be the first to give up their smart phone and iPad, since they made Steve Jobs and his successors rich?

Who'll be the first to stop using Windows, since it made Bill Gates rich?

Who'll be the first to abandon air conditioning, since it made Willis Carrier and his heirs rich?

Who'll be the first to stop using elevators, since they made Elisha Otis and his heirs rich?

Who'll be the first to stop using steel, since it made Andrew Carnegie and his heirs rich?


These people became "rich" because their inventions made life so much better for EVERYONE. Would you rather we do without these inventions instead, because they led to such immense personal wealth for their inventors?

First, where did you lift this post from? :rolleyes:

Next, why is Paris Hilton and her ilk deserving of tax cuts? Or LeBron James? Or Kim Kardashian? Are you hopeful Fishy that more tax cuts for the 1% and the E Channel can make another show about her? :rolleyes: Why should we be giving a break on people who will take that money and invest in China with it? Where exactly is the benefit of that?
 
Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

You're trying to split hairs there, my friend. I opposed Bush on major things, yet that doesn't fit your easy narrative, so you try to explain away my opposition to Bush. Nice try again, but it doesn't hold water. Issues vs. decision making? What kind of nonsense is that?


Your issue isn't with me Bob. Its with the electorate! Good luck getting out from under the Cloud of Doom that is W. As I said, I give it 32 years give or take. ;)
 
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First, where did you lift this post from? :rolleyes:

Next, why is Paris Hilton and her ilk deserving of tax cuts? Or LeBron James? Or Kim Kardashian? Are you hopeful Fishy that more tax cuts for the 1% and the E Channel can make another show about her? :rolleyes: Why should we be giving a break on people who will take that money and invest in China with it? Where exactly is the benefit of that?

It's a silly post because it's a(n) <insert some fancy Latin words for one of the logical fallacies here> argument. It implies that our two options are give the rich all the break or we live without advances in technology.

Look, I probably don't agree with a lot of the policies that Rover, Priceless, and Kepler would like to see implemented (and for that matter, Bob and FF as well), but I also see the need for keeping the rich in check. I think the left overreaches quite a bit when it comes to that but at least I recognize the fact that there is a middle ground that would continue to allow the rich in the country to accumulate more wealth than they and their next two generations could possible spend and helping out the middle class.
 
Re: The Power of SCOTUS V: The Final Frontier

First, where did you lift this post from? :rolleyes:

Next, why is Paris Hilton and her ilk deserving of tax cuts? Or LeBron James? Or Kim Kardashian? Are you hopeful Fishy that more tax cuts for the 1% and the E Channel can make another show about her? :rolleyes: Why should we be giving a break on people who will take that money and invest in China with it? Where exactly is the benefit of that?

This would be another example of distilled libt*ardism. A tax cut for people superficially undeserving means they're going to "get" X number of dollars from the federal treasury. Of course, the money involved is theirs to begin with, not the treasury's. I notice you failed to include the daughter of a former president and future presidential candidate who, despite not a trace of talent or ability, has been given a 600K entry level job by NBC. A job which pays her more (despite the fact she's never on screen) than the editor of the NYT. Paraphrasing Orwell: some outrageous salaries are more outrageous than others. Right? The poor thing. She has to schlep through life in that ten million dollar apartment which has only five bathrooms. Oh, the humanity!
 
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Your issue isn't with me Bob. Its with the electorate! Good luck getting out from under the Cloud of Doom that is W. As I said, I give it 32 years give or take. ;)
I didn't realize the electorate was even aware of me? :eek: Whereas you are, at least at some level.
 
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This would be another example of distilled libt*ardism. A tax cut for people superficially undeserving means they're going to "get" X number of dollars from the federal treasury. Of course, the money involved is theirs to begin with, not the treasury's.

100% pure knuckledragger logic right here. Who's the last person to make the BS "its the people's money" statement? That's right, Bush II! Right when he was squandering the Clinton surplus on gimmicky tax cut for rich Republican campaign contributors. Some things never change I guess...

See, the problem is Opie, its the people's debt too! So, why should we be borrowing money to give wealthy people more funds to invest overseas? Kindly give us your logic on this one. No, I don't expect you to answer on point but maybe you'll surprise me...

I didn't realize the electorate was even aware of me? :eek: Whereas you are, at least at some level.


As you guys are by and large all the same, we're very aware of you. Besides, didn't you see the black helicopters hovering above your house? :eek:
 
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As you guys are by and large all the same, we're very aware of you. Besides, didn't you see the black helicopters hovering above your house? :eek:
Ah, stereotyping. I thought only we did that! Our little guy would enjoy seeing the black helicopters, so please send them more often!
 
It's a silly post because it's a(n) <insert some fancy Latin words for one of the logical fallacies here> argument. It implies that our two options are give the rich all the break or we live without advances in technology.

Look, I probably don't agree with a lot of the policies that Rover, Priceless, and Kepler would like to see implemented (and for that matter, Bob and FF as well), but I also see the need for keeping the rich in check. I think the left overreaches quite a bit when it comes to that but at least I recognize the fact that there is a middle ground that would continue to allow the rich in the country to accumulate more wealth than they and their next two generations could possible spend and helping out the middle class.

In the budget I proposed way back in 2011, I was able to balance the budget and start earning a surplus within the decade and all I did was roll taxes back to the Clinton era. I didn't take us back to Reagan or even Eisenhower. There are so many other ways to save money. Of course, the concept of "shared sacrifice" is about as foreign to *cough* some people *cough* as "compromise"

This would be another example of distilled libt*ardism. A tax cut for people superficially undeserving means they're going to "get" X number of dollars from the federal treasury. Of course, the money involved is theirs to begin with, not the treasury's. I notice you failed to include the daughter of a former president and future presidential candidate who, despite not a trace of talent or ability, has been given a 600K entry level job by NBC. A job which pays her more (despite the fact she's never on screen) than the editor of the NYT. Paraphrasing Orwell: some outrageous salaries are more outrageous than others. Right? The poor thing. She has to schlep through life in that ten million dollar apartment which has only five bathrooms. Oh, the humanity!

Why do you give a crap what Chelsea Clinton does or is paid? This seems like an obsession with you.
 
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Ah, stereotyping. I thought only we did that! Our little guy would enjoy seeing the black helicopters, so please send them more often!

Its not stereotyping if its true Bob, and since just about every con is an older while male Bush worshipin' lets-go-back-to-Iraq nutter, I think the shoe fits! :D:D:D
 
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Its not stereotyping if its true Bob, and since just about every con is an older while male Bush worshipin' lets-go-back-to-Iraq nutter, I think the shoe fits! :D:D:D
Actually the shoe doesn't fit so well. You must be one of those pesky shoe salesman that tried to get a person to buy that ugly pair on clearance that doesn't fit, but they try to convince you they do. But, I know such stereotyping is convenient, and there are few things Americans like more than convenience.
 
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This would be another example of distilled libt*ardism. A tax cut for people superficially undeserving means they're going to "get" X number of dollars from the federal treasury.

You mean like Mississippi does?
 
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