The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

[YabaDabaDoo]

The selection criteria:

An award of The USA Hockey Foundation, the Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award is presented annually to the top player in NCAA Division I women’s ice hockey. Other selection criteria include outstanding individual and team skills, sportsmanship, performance in the clutch, personal character, competitiveness and a love of hockey. Consideration is also given to academic achievement and civic involvement

Does anyone know if there is any access to the results of the process? A point system? Or? There has been a lot of super athletes presented for selection over the years and it would be very interesting to hear why one was selected over the other.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Carpenter.

It's a battle for 2nd place.

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Current odds out of Vegas:

Carpenter -1000
Skarupa +500
Brandt +600

Field: +500

 

[YabaDabaDoo]

They are all great athletes, how do they rank in the other categories?
Conversely, if these athletes played for RIT, UNION, VERMONT or Minnesota State, would those numbers stand? Same great athlete but not much to work with? Would they still be at the top of the pile?

Current odds out of Vegas:

Carpenter -1000
Skarupa +500
Brandt +600

Field: +500

 

[ARM]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

Conversely, if these athletes played for RIT, UNION, VERMONT or Minnesota State, would those numbers stand?

I wouldn't lump those four teams into the same category, specifically Vermont. The Catamounts have Amanda Pelkey and Brittany Zuback, who have proven to be more productive than anyone on the other three rosters.

If you moved any of those top three players onto an offensively challenged roster, obviously, they wouldn't score as much as they do now. However, neither would those teams lose as often as they currently do. Difference makers by definition make a difference in the standings.

 

[YabaDabaDoo]

I just picked the last place team in each league with out regard to who was on the particular team. I was by no means attempting to disparage any of the athletes. If you go back and look at all or most of the Kaz recipients and those in the top 10 it seems that they all or mostly came from teams at the top with multiple top athletes and was trying to juxtapose the situation.
As to your response regarding raising the team up, would that get them to the spot they are now? Or would they be looked upon as just another really good player?

I wouldn't lump those four teams into the same category, specifically Vermont. The Catamounts have Amanda Pelkey and Brittany Zuback, who have proven to be more productive than anyone on the other three rosters.

If you moved any of those top three players onto an offensively challenged roster, obviously, they wouldn't score as much as they do now. However, neither would those teams lose as often as they currently do. Difference makers by definition make a difference in the standings.

 

[pokechecker]

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they all or mostly came from teams at the top

one of the criteria is leadership, by definition, a player who is a leader on a top team would win out over a player on a bottom team, all else being equal

to be nominated requires 2 coaches to nominate you, I don't know if your own coach can, coaches then vote on the nominees to winnow it down to 10, and the top 10 are again voted on by coaches to get it down to 3, a committee selects the winner from these 3

 

[YabaDabaDoo]

It would seem that that is the case, I'm troubled by the process "But don't have a solution"
as it might be cause for the top players to never take a chance with a struggling team. Even the idea of going to play for such a team hoping to try and be a part of a catalyst to make women's hockey more competitive would surely ware off and then you would see a transfer request.

it's not only the Kaz, but the All American selection and the weekly and monthly awards as well I think.

one of the criteria is leadership, by definition, a player who is a leader on a top team would win out over a player on a bottom team, all else being equal

to be nominated requires 2 coaches to nominate you, I don't know if your own coach can, coaches then vote on the nominees to winnow it down to 10, and the top 10 are again voted on by coaches to get it down to 3, a committee selects the winner from these 3

 

[TonyTheTiger20]

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It would seem that that is the case, I'm troubled by the process "But don't have a solution"
as it might be cause for the top players to never take a chance with a struggling team. Even the idea of going to play for such a team hoping to try and be a part of a catalyst to make women's hockey more competitive would surely ware off and then you would see a transfer request.

it's not only the Kaz, but the All American selection and the weekly and monthly awards as well I think.

Idk, what about Jincy Dunne?

 

[KTDC]

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It would seem that that is the case, I'm troubled by the process "But don't have a solution"
as it might be cause for the top players to never take a chance with a struggling team. Even the idea of going to play for such a team hoping to try and be a part of a catalyst to make women's hockey more competitive would surely ware off and then you would see a transfer request.

it's not only the Kaz, but the All American selection and the weekly and monthly awards as well I think.

The Lams went to NoDak and one of them was a top 10 finalist senior year. By then they had turned their team into a contender. Of course, that's 2 people, but yes, I think that was good for women's hockey.

What about Phoebe Staenz in two years?

 

[YabaDabaDoo]

Ohio State is not a bottom dweller but rather a 500+ team and a new program, having said that, Amanda Pelkey went to Vermont to give back! Had she gone to a BC or? Who knows?

What I would like to be considered is the athlete that goes to a struggling team, stays and continues to do better each season rather than throwing in the towel or transferring to a winning program.

Idk, what about Jincy Dunne?

 

[KTDC]

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What I would like to be considered is the athlete that goes to a struggling team, stays and continues to do better each season rather than throwing in the towel or transferring to a winning program.

Let's keep an eye on Sam Donovan at Brown.

 

[YabaDabaDoo]

Staenz is a very good player as well, Yale's program has been doing increasingly better and there are several players on that team who are significant contributors! It also helps having name recognition as an Olympian.

The Lams went to NoDak and one of them was a top 10 finalist senior year. By then they had turned their team into a contender. Of course, that's 2 people, but yes, I think that was good for women's hockey.

What about Phoebe Staenz in two years?

 

[HockeyEast33]

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Let's keep an eye on Sam Donovan at Brown.

I'm sure that she is a good player on a weak team (although only the 3rd leading scorer), but come on ... really .... you think a kid from Brown is going to win a Kazmaier? Aubree Moore SHOULD have been a legitimate contender for the Kazmaier because she stood on her head 25-30 games a season on a team that was just really really bad every season she was there. She didn't even get a mention. Be real.

Also, she is a freshman like Annie Pankowski, Kelly Pannek, and Kenzie Kent who are all top 4 scorers for national contenders. Can she win against these players? Sorry ... won't even make a top 10 list.

If everyone's really looking for a dark horse candidate on a bad team, goalie is always a good place to look. Union has Shenae Lundberg - similar to Moore, she should be a candidate this year since anything that Union has accomplished has largely been on her back this season. But it isn't going to happen either.

Players who are going to be candidates for the Kazmaier want to win. They know they are going to play anywhere they go. They generally pick school's that are continuously successful. So the small group of school's the candidates always come from will continue until they start having less long term success. The Amanda Pelkey's of the world (however admirable for their decision to support their home state school even though they were historically very bad) won't be serious Kazmaier contenders. The Lamoreaux's were an exception, but remember that they started at UM...

 

[KTDC]

Re: The Patty Kazmaier Memorial Award

I'm sure that she is a good player on a weak team (although only the 3rd leading scorer), but come on ... really .... you think a kid from Brown is going to win a Kazmaier? Aubree Moore SHOULD have been a legitimate contender for the Kazmaier because she stood on her head 25-30 games a season on a team that was just really really bad every season she was there. She didn't even get a mention. Be real.

Also, she is a freshman like Annie Pankowski, Kelly Pannek, and Kenzie Kent who are all top 4 scorers for national contenders. Can she win against these players? Sorry ... won't even make a top 10 list.
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Of course not even in the conversation for this year. But I'm going along with YabaDabaDoo mentioning her as a good player who joins a weak team. If she has 7 goals as a freshman at this point in the season for Brown, how many goals could she have for one of those elite teams? If she stays and if she gets better every year could potentially make an impact. I think if she wasn't 5'2" she would have been recruited by a Wisconsin or BC or UM. That is potentially the kind of scenario where a kid could end up at Brown and be a top 10 finalist by her senior year.

 

[ne7minder]

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The Lams went to NoDak and one of them was a top 10 finalist senior year. By then they had turned their team into a contender. Of course, that's 2 people, but yes, I think that was good for women's hockey.

I now it was very good for Minnesota.

 

[Eeyore]

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If she has 7 goals as a freshman at this point in the season for Brown, how many goals could she have for one of those elite teams?

Maybe more because she has better teammates; maybe fewer because she'd get less ice time. That's the balancing factor: if you go to a school with fewer top players, you're likely to play more.

 

[HockeyEast33]

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Of course not even in the conversation for this year. But I'm going along with YabaDabaDoo mentioning her as a good player who joins a weak team. If she has 7 goals as a freshman at this point in the season for Brown, how many goals could she have for one of those elite teams? If she stays and if she gets better every year could potentially make an impact. I think if she wasn't 5'2" she would have been recruited by a Wisconsin or BC or UM. That is potentially the kind of scenario where a kid could end up at Brown and be a top 10 finalist by her senior year.

I wasn't saying she won't be in the conversation this year - that never even crossed my mind. I mean ever. The three other freshmen I listed (just as examples - there are others I could have picked - Lexie Laing at Harvard for example) are better players on better teams and when they are all juniors and seniors together with Ms. Donovan, they will be the serious Kazmaier candidates not her. This isn't a negative commentary on Sam Donovan, who I have only seen play a couple of times and is doing pretty well on a bad team. But the other kids I listed are getting their high number of points on highly successful teams while competing for ice time against some of the best players in the country. They are only going to get better over the next 3 years barring injury. Ms. Donovan is likely playing darn every shift that matters for Brown because they are starved for talent - she isn't in an environment where she will improve significantly.

 

[taxicab]

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I am sorry I just had to chime in here. Cracks me how some get caught up in the moment. None of you have ever mentioned Poulin, Brandt, Picard, Saulnier, Coyne, MacAuley or Hensley. From what I read, the award is NOT about how many points you can get behind a stacked team, what your last name is, how much press you get or where you (or were not) born ! I read things like clutch player, love of the game, individual and team skills, competitiveness & love of hockey. NOTHING about it being a popularity contest. I am not saying who should win or who should not win. I am just saying that the fact that NONE of these ladies were even mentioned shows me it is turning into a popularity contest. A criteria, I would guess, was never entered into the origin of this honorary award. Women's hockey has grown exponentially in the past several years. Lets let our minds grow as well. Lets not get caught up in archaic female bantering of Miss Popularity. Lets try to be the athletically intelligent people that all of these wonderful ladies deserve. Good Luck to ALL. I personally would like to thank all of these ladies and many more for bringing women's athleticism to another level. You are all pioneers and winners in my book.

 

[Supernaut]

I am sorry I just had to chime in here. Cracks me how some get caught up in the moment. None of you have ever mentioned Poulin, Brandt, Picard, Saulnier, Coyne, MacAuley or Hensley. From what I read, the award is NOT about how many points you can get behind a stacked team, what your last name is, how much press you get or where you (or were not) born ! I read things like clutch player, love of the game, individual and team skills, competitiveness & love of hockey. NOTHING about it being a popularity contest. I am not saying who should win or who should not win. I am just saying that the fact that NONE of these ladies were even mentioned shows me it is turning into a popularity contest. A criteria, I would guess, was never entered into the origin of this honorary award. Women's hockey has grown exponentially in the past several years. Lets let our minds grow as well. Lets not get caught up in archaic female bantering of Miss Popularity. Lets try to be the athletically intelligent people that all of these wonderful ladies deserve. Good Luck to ALL. I personally would like to thank all of these ladies and many more for bringing women's athleticism to another level. You are all pioneers and winners in my book.

Well put cabbie.