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The Official "My Team Got Screwed!" thread of the 2022 NCAA Men's Hockey Tournament

jjmc85 said:
I’m not sure what options the conferences have in making these choices. Is it simply between tournament champ and regular season champ? If not, could they make whatever choice they want? Could the CCHA choose to award to BSU each season forever? Could they award it to the team that loses the final? Could it be awarded to the team highest in the pairwise that didn’t get an at large? What would have happened to the CCHA autobid if St. Thomas (not eligible for NCAAs) had won? If another team was leaving after the season for a different conference, could they choose to exclude that team from the autobid like the CAA (NU’s all sport conference) seems to be doing for teams leaving?
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I believe that each league can award the auto-bid however they want. So, if the CCHA chose to award it BSU each season forever, I think that would be accepted by the NCAA (however, I doubt the CCHA would voted to do that, and if they did, I doubt the other teams would remain in the CCHA for long). As for if St. Thomas had won the tournament, that happened this year in basketball. Bellarmine won the ASUN Tournament, but they are ineligible for the NCAA and other national tournaments because they moved up from Division II to Division I in 2020 and are still in the transition period. The ASUN awarded their auto-bid to Jacksonville State, the regular season champion, instead. And last year the ECAC awarded their auto-bid to Quinnipiac when St. Lawrence withdrew because of COVID.

As for the CAA, are they banning teams leaving the league from the league postseason tournament, or just from being eligible for the auto-bid? When BU left America East their teams were banned from the league postseason tournaments.

Sean
 
ticapnews said:
Northeastern could have sued (and probably won) because the CCHA and Don Lucia broke NCAA rules in reviewing the goal after the game had finished. Rule 82.1 states "Officials’ duties and powers continue during intermissions and until all players have left the ice and entered the dressing room at the conclusion of the game." The game was over. The goal was reviewed, considered a good goal and the Bemidji players left the ice. Mankato was presented the trophy. It wasn't until a video angle that was not available to the referees during the game was brought to the attention of conference officials that the goal was reviewed again. The game did not resume until almost an hour after the game had finished and the trophy had been awarded. It is possible a judge would have ruled in favor of Northeastern to end the game after the original goal and award the automatic invitation to Minnesota State. We'll never know because Mankato eventually scored and won the game (again) but had the Beavers scored...
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The CCHA would probably argue that the game had not concluded, although awarding the trophy would appear to indicate otherwise. However, I think NU would just ask a federal judge in Boston to grant them injunctive relief barring Bemidji from the NCAA Tournament as it would cause irreparable harm to NU if the relief was not granted. Maine made the same argument to a friendly judge in Maine back in 1994 when Hockey East banned them from the league tournament. The judge granted the relief and Maine played (and lost) the games. In this case if the judge granted relief to NU they would then be in and Bemidji out.

However, I'm not a lawyer, so I'd be happy to have the resident one comment. And if you're a lawyer ticapnews I humbly apologize.

Sean
 
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Sean Pickett said:
The CCHA would probably argue that the game had not concluded, although awarding the trophy would appear to indicate otherwise. However, I think NU would just ask a federal judge in Boston to grant them injunctive relief barring Bemidji from the NCAA Tournament as it would cause irreparable harm to NU if the relief was not granted. Maine made the same argument to a friendly judge in Maine back in 1996 when Hockey East banned them from the league tournament. The judge granted the relief and Maine played (and lost) the games. In this case if the judge granted relief to NU they would then be in and Bemidji out.

However, I'm not a lawyer, so I'd be happy to have the resident one comment. And if you're a lawyer ticapnews I humbly apologize.

Sean
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I am not a lawyer but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express...

It was (supposedly) a lawyer who suggested Northeastern would seek the injunction, but he couldn't (or wouldn't) speculate what the judge would have done.
 
Sean Pickett said:
The CCHA would probably argue that the game had not concluded, although awarding the trophy would appear to indicate otherwise. However, I think NU would just ask a federal judge in Boston to grant them injunctive relief barring Bemidji from the NCAA Tournament as it would cause irreparable harm to NU if the relief was not granted. Maine made the same argument to a friendly judge in Maine back in 1994 when Hockey East banned them from the league tournament. The judge granted the relief and Maine played (and lost) the games. In this case if the judge granted relief to NU they would then be in and Bemidji out.

However, I'm not a lawyer, so I'd be happy to have the resident one comment. And if you're a lawyer ticapnews I humbly apologize.

Sean
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You make a great point about QPac getting the autobid last season even though St. Lawrence won the tournament. If that’s possible, what would stop the CCHA from saying they have the authority to award the autobid however they want? NU has no grounds as to determine how the CCHA autobid is awarded as they aren’t a member of the CCHA.

What would stop Bemidji from going to a different friendly judge and getting an injunction arguing to ban Northeastern from the NCAAs as preventing BSU them from the autobid would do them irreparable harm? I sort of get allowing Maine to play in a Hockey East Tournament game assuming no one else was excluded as a result (was that the case then?) but that would not be the case in this.

Also what authority does a judge have in a hockey tournament anyway? Where does the line get drawn? If the review hadn’t happened could Bemidji have sued with a friendly judge and gotten NU disqualified? Could WMU sue because they wouldn’t be sure who they were playing and wouldn’t know who to scout? Would there be a play in game between the two to settle it on the ice?

Would have honestly been very interesting if it happened for everyone except NU and BSU fans…
 
ticapnews said:
Northeastern could have sued (and probably won) because the CCHA and Don Lucia broke NCAA rules in reviewing the goal after the game had finished. Rule 82.1 states "Officials’ duties and powers continue during intermissions and until all players have left the ice and entered the dressing room at the conclusion of the game." The game was over. The goal was reviewed, considered a good goal and the Bemidji players left the ice. Mankato was presented the trophy. It wasn't until a video angle that was not available to the referees during the game was brought to the attention of conference officials that the goal was reviewed again. The game did not resume until almost an hour after the game had finished and the trophy had been awarded. It is possible a judge would have ruled in favor of Northeastern to end the game after the original goal and award the automatic invitation to Minnesota State. We'll never know because Mankato eventually scored and won the game (again) but had the Beavers scored...
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Definitely the most bizarre finish to any college game that I have ever heard of.

Looks as though they got it right, though.
 
jjmc85 said:
You make a great point about QPac getting the autobid last season even though St. Lawrence won the tournament. If that’s possible, what would stop the CCHA from saying they have the authority to award the autobid however they want? NU has no grounds as to determine how the CCHA autobid is awarded as they aren’t a member of the CCHA.

What would stop Bemidji from going to a different friendly judge and getting an injunction arguing to ban Northeastern from the NCAAs as preventing BSU them from the autobid would do them irreparable harm? I sort of get allowing Maine to play in a Hockey East Tournament game assuming no one else was excluded as a result (was that the case then?) but that would not be the case in this.

Also what authority does a judge have in a hockey tournament anyway? Where does the line get drawn? If the review hadn’t happened could Bemidji have sued with a friendly judge and gotten NU disqualified? Could WMU sue because they wouldn’t be sure who they were playing and wouldn’t know who to scout? Would there be a play in game between the two to settle it on the ice?

Would have honestly been very interesting if it happened for everyone except NU and BSU fans…
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I believe judges would have jurisdiction because of interstate commerce. Go figure.

WMU should sue because Michigan cancelled their game in December. Minnesota and Duluth could file amicus briefs because depending on the outcome of that game, they would get a #1 seed (Minnesota instead of Western, Duluth instead of Denver)

Technically, you can sue over anything you want. That doesn't mean a judge won't penalize you for wasting their time. Which is why we don't have even more lawsuits than we do.
 
Congratulations to the blatantly incompetent officials in the Tech-UMD game for kicking out one of the best players on the ice on a marginal at best call not even 4 minutes in.
 
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John J. MacInnes said:
Congratulations to the blatantly incompetent officials in the Tech-UMD game for kicking out one of the best players on the ice on a marginal at best play not even 4 minutes in.
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Yep. Just absolutely no need to call that a major. Or even if you do I thought you had the option to not eject the player. Opponent got up like nothing happened. Entirely unnecessary and horrible officiating.
 
J.D. said:
Yep. Just absolutely no need to call that a major. Or even if you do I thought you had the option to not eject the player. Opponent got up like nothing happened. Entirely unnecessary and horrible officiating.
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I wasn't watching (had to work). What conference are the officials from? Let me guess...either HE or ECAC?
 
J.D. said:
Yep. Just absolutely no need to call that a major. Or even if you do I thought you had the option to not eject the player. Opponent got up like nothing happened. Entirely unnecessary and horrible officiating.
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Since it was called boarding, yes it could have been called a minor or a game misconduct not given.

John J. MacInnes said:
Congratulations to the blatantly incompetent officials in the Tech-UMD game for kicking out one of the best players on the ice on a marginal at best call not even 4 minutes in.
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So officials should treat the best players differently?

chickod said:
I wasn't watching (had to work). What conference are the officials from? Let me guess...either HE or ECAC?
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One referee, Sean Fernandez, is listed as an AHL referee for 2021-22 and has refereed for Hockey East. The other referee, Colin Kronforst, has refereed for the Big Ten for several seasons and officiated in their championship game last weekend.

Sean
 
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ticapnews said:
I believe judges would have jurisdiction because of interstate commerce. Go figure.

WMU should sue because Michigan cancelled their game in December. Minnesota and Duluth could file amicus briefs because depending on the outcome of that game, they would get a #1 seed (Minnesota instead of Western, Duluth instead of Denver)

Technically, you can sue over anything you want. That doesn't mean a judge won't penalize you for wasting their time. Which is why we don't have even more lawsuits than we do.
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As A WMU fan, I will be satisfied if we merely destroy the Weasels will to live in the nationally televised final game. 15-0 WMU should do nicely.
 
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