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The Official 2013 Oswego State Post/Pre-Season Thread - "Love All, Serve All"...

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I thought by now we would have heard a little more about who showed up,and who didnt,perhaps a player or 2 not on anyones list?? Well I guess we wait for the showcase.
 
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I ran into Justin Gilbert today, and had a brief conversation with him. I doubt this will surprise anyone but he described the starting job as "his to lose". So as long as Gilbert stays healthy, I'm not too worried about Oswego's goalie position. Zawadski seems like he would be an adequate backup for Gilbert this year in case of injury or as relief to keep Gilbert from getting worn out.

It seems to me that the change in financial aid is seriously changing how Oswego is putting together their roster. Before, Oswego had a remarkably small roster at only 24 guys, and now Oswego might be boasting a roster of over 30.

My conspiracy theory: When Oswego was offering the international scholarship, we wanted to minimize the roster so that the number of athletes receiving that scholarship didn't stand out and invite sanctions from the NCAA. So we recruited just a few guys, but made sure they were serious quality guys. We didn't take any chances on guys that may or may not be great, we went with the sure thing. Now that we don't have the international scholarship, we're trying to get a really big roster with a lot of guys that may or may not turn out to be great at the college level. The hope is that if we get enough of these guys, that enough of them will work out and become great.

Thoughts guys?
 
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toto238 said:
I ran into Justin Gilbert today, and had a brief conversation with him. I doubt this will surprise anyone but he described the starting job as "his to lose". So as long as Gilbert stays healthy, I'm not too worried about Oswego's goalie position. Zawadski seems like he would be an adequate backup for Gilbert this year in case of injury or as relief to keep Gilbert from getting worn out.

It seems to me that the change in financial aid is seriously changing how Oswego is putting together their roster. Before, Oswego had a remarkably small roster at only 24 guys, and now Oswego might be boasting a roster of over 30.

My conspiracy theory: When Oswego was offering the international scholarship, we wanted to minimize the roster so that the number of athletes receiving that scholarship didn't stand out and invite sanctions from the NCAA. So we recruited just a few guys, but made sure they were serious quality guys. We didn't take any chances on guys that may or may not be great, we went with the sure thing. Now that we don't have the international scholarship, we're trying to get a really big roster with a lot of guys that may or may not turn out to be great at the college level. The hope is that if we get enough of these guys, that enough of them will work out and become great.

Thoughts guys?
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I think I kind of get what you're trying to say, you just need to add the word "international" in there a few times for 3 things

1. Oswego offered a good FA program that attracted your high end Canadian Junior players where Gosek didn't need to coach them "talent" wise. He could attract those Grade "A" type players easier so to speak. Players whose skill set was already on the radar. He didn't need to bring in 2 "B" level guys in case one didn't pan out.

2. Now, with no aid, Gosek has a harder time (yes the rink, ect ect still helps but money talks) attracting those Grade "A" type players so he has to get as many Grade "B" players who are willing to pay a little more and coach them into "Grade "A" players. The open playing time really helped attract a few players I'm sure as well. A double edged sword so to speak, but could be a blessing. His pool of players shrank, but is still bigger then most DIII schools for sure. To some kids/parents that extra $3,000 a year is no big deal, to others it could make or break their decision on coming to Oswego. As I said, its not about who Oswego gets, its more who they could have had.

3. You also see more American born players then Oswego has seen in years because they don't require the "assistance" to lower the tuition rate. They already get the price break. Again, that doesn't mean they are going to be horrible, just a team that will need to work more and not rely on pure talent. Gosek will also get his moneys worth in one of the toughest coaching jobs he will have to undergo. Ill say it right now, IF Oswego makes the SUNYAC Finals, let alone wins it, Gosek COTY. That many different faces......
 
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Toto I think you are seriously over thinking things. The larger numbers as Remy said, are really due to the fact that some of the early commits were guys that knew they would have a decent shot at playing time with so many spots available. Those players likely didn't have a lot of big name schools after them so they of course chose the team that is coming off a fourth straight final four appearance. Eddie had a lot to replace so he really couldn't wait for the higher end players to make their decisions. He got a couple of those higher end guys and a couple transfers late in the going which brought the roster size up and created a lot of options. With the financial aid package they had before they pretty much knew the top guys were coming if their D1 options didn't pan out so he didn't have to go after "lesser" talent to make sure he had some warm bodies, now he does.
 
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I agree with both PSUChamps and Laker28. In past years Gosek had the chance to wait for that top level talent and see if they decided to go to Oswego and if not then find that straggler looking for a D3 school or any type of upper level hockey after his junior years were done. I think the other that really changed with the loss of international aid package was he tried to find more solid American recruits then before either way this is going to be the year we see if Gosek is the coach that brought a team to four straight final 4's and 2 national championship appearances or was it the fact he was able to use the aid to help bring in so much talent that he did not need to coach them up. Personally, coming from a Platty fan, I think we will see him as the good coach that he is.
 
toto238 said:
I ran into Justin Gilbert today, and had a brief conversation with him. I doubt this will surprise anyone but he described the starting job as "his to lose". So as long as Gilbert stays healthy, I'm not too worried about Oswego's goalie position. Zawadski seems like he would be an adequate backup for Gilbert this year in case of injury or as relief to keep Gilbert from getting worn out.

It seems to me that the change in financial aid is seriously changing how Oswego is putting together their roster. Before, Oswego had a remarkably small roster at only 24 guys, and now Oswego might be boasting a roster of over 30.

My conspiracy theory: When Oswego was offering the international scholarship, we wanted to minimize the roster so that the number of athletes receiving that scholarship didn't stand out and invite sanctions from the NCAA. So we recruited just a few guys, but made sure they were serious quality guys. We didn't take any chances on guys that may or may not be great, we went with the sure thing. Now that we don't have the international scholarship, we're trying to get a really big roster with a lot of guys that may or may not turn out to be great at the college level. The hope is that if we get enough of these guys, that enough of them will work out and become great.

Thoughts guys?
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You know I love you Toto, but I fear the heat in AZ may have impaired your usually sharp mind (or is the company based in AZ and you are working remotely?).....there's no conspiracy theory here - I agree with our friends on this one...good luck to you and the wife on the next chapter of your life
 
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LakerEagleLover said:
You know I love you Toto, but I fear the heat in AZ may have impaired your usually sharp mind (or is the company based in AZ and you are working remotely?).....there's no conspiracy theory here - I agree with our friends on this one...good luck to you and the wife on the next chapter of your life
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Of course i only mean conspiracy in a jovial manner. Every team conspires to put the best team possible on the ice and to win as many games as possible. FA changed and it looks like Oswego is changing their recruitment strategy as a result. I know officially teams don't recognize that FA has any effect on recruiting but we know changes are occurring. More Americans, less Canadians, bigger roster, etc. I'm just making guesses as to how the strategy is changing and why. I also agree with our friends here when they say that this year is going to be a massive test of Gosek's abilities as a coach. However low expectations may be though, the potential to bring home 3 trophies (PF, SUNYAC & D3) this year is still very much real. I have faith in Gosek.

And yes, I'm relocating to Scottsdale in less than two weeks. Thanks for the best wishes. I don't doubt we'll cross paths again. If you've ever in the area, look me up. Mexican food in AZ is AMAZING.
 
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toto238 said:
Of course i only mean conspiracy in a jovial manner. Every team conspires to put the best team possible on the ice and to win as many games as possible. FA changed and it looks like Oswego is changing their recruitment strategy as a result. I know officially teams don't recognize that FA has any effect on recruiting but we know changes are occurring. More Americans, less Canadians, bigger roster, etc. I'm just making guesses as to how the strategy is changing and why. I also agree with our friends here when they say that this year is going to be a massive test of Gosek's abilities as a coach. However low expectations may be though, the potential to bring home 3 trophies (PF, SUNYAC & D3) this year is still very much real. I have faith in Gosek.

And yes, I'm relocating to Scottsdale in less than two weeks. Thanks for the best wishes. I don't doubt we'll cross paths again. If you've ever in the area, look me up. Mexican food in AZ is AMAZING.
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Godspeed...you get your ***** back to Oz every so often and our paths WILL cross...once you get settled, I have a friend out there you need to meet...
 
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Well, you know we can speculate all we want but sometimes we just need to wait and see what's inside that box of chocolates. Every coach goes through this from time to time or year to year. I've seen it many a time and for Pburgh, it usually works out pretty darn well. You know, rebuild or reload as they say. That is why coaches coach. Gosek will know what to do.
 
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Birds said:
Well, you know we can speculate all we want but sometimes we just need to wait and see what's inside that box of chocolates. Every coach goes through this from time to time or year to year. I've seen it many a time and for Pburgh, it usually works out pretty darn well. You know, rebuild or reload as they say. That is why coaches coach. Gosek will know what to do.
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Sometimes we just need to wait and see? Isn't the whole point of this forum during the off season to speculate and guess? I mean, 95% of everything on this forum is people guessing and speculating at things.
 
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XYZ has been pretty quite lately...........what ya got:D?????????????????
 
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Everyone is entitled to their opinion whether speculating or whatever. Not trying to be negative or critical. Just a general comment from my experience over the years of watching hockey.
 
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LakerEagleLover said:
Godspeed...you get your ***** back to Oz every so often and our paths WILL cross...once you get settled, I have a friend out there you need to meet...
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I'd love to meet your friend. You know how to reach me whenever. Go Lakers!
 
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I don't really put any faith in anything any player says about their position, especially in September. Just look at the last few years. KGT was a lock for the starting job, Beckwith was described as a decent backup. KGT gets sick and Beckwith is a brick wall the rest of the season. The following season, Beckwith is a lock for the starting job and Hare is described as a decent backup. Beckwith gets hurt and Hare is a brick wall.

So, yeah, barring an injury or illness, Gilby is probably the starter. But practice hasn't even started yet. You just never know what will happen between now and November.
 
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LakerFan99 said:
I don't really put any faith in anything any player says about their position, especially in September. Just look at the last few years. KGT was a lock for the starting job, Beckwith was described as a decent backup. KGT gets sick and Beckwith is a brick wall the rest of the season. The following season, Beckwith is a lock for the starting job and Hare is described as a decent backup. Beckwith gets hurt and Hare is a brick wall.

So, yeah, barring an injury or illness, Gilby is probably the starter. But practice hasn't even started yet. You just never know what will happen between now and November.
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you pretty much nailed it....also we dont know who/if we have a 3rd/and 4th netminder as far as that position is concerned...Im sure all other spots are up for grabs, with a slight bias towards past performance.
 
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LakerFan99, you have it the other way around. Beckwith was the starter and Kyle was the backup until Paul got H1N1 and Kyle took the job and ran with it. The starting job was Chris Hyk's to lose during Beckwith's Freshman year and he did with his awful play but Paul got a groin injury and played sparingly once Tim Potter arrived. It is now Gilbert's to lose and he may lose it and he may not, he acknowledges the fact that he wont be given the job just because he was on the team last year. He knows Matt Zawadski is a pretty solid goalie and will not be willing to give the job back if he takes it. He also knows Eddie likes to go with the hot hand so he needs to make sure he is that hot hand.
 
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Laker28 said:
LakerFan99, you have it the other way around. Beckwith was the starter and Kyle was the backup until Paul got H1N1 and Kyle took the job and ran with it. The starting job was Chris Hyk's to lose during Beckwith's Freshman year and he did with his awful play but Paul got a groin injury and played sparingly once Tim Potter arrived. It is now Gilbert's to lose and he may lose it and he may not, he acknowledges the fact that he wont be given the job just because he was on the team last year. He knows Matt Zawadski is a pretty solid goalie and will not be willing to give the job back if he takes it. He also knows Eddie likes to go with the hot hand so he needs to make sure he is that hot hand.
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You're right. I was backwards. My bad there. Makes me realize how good Beckwith was, but how many injuries/illnesses he had. Too bad.
 
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Why are there no teams called the Yeti's or Albatross here in the States? Credit New Orleans for going with the Pelicans as the name of their bouncy ball team, just not enough out of the ordinary creature names in US pro sports. College athletics has it right, the pro's should follow their lead.
 
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