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The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

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This latest pronouncement is the same retreaded tripe from before. It's a bit ironic that the "only D1 school" is the biggest whiner about travel and the associated expenses. FFS. Let's just kick Toledo Community College out.

I can tell you that the majority of the issue is the travel costs. When you take into consideration all of the other D1 sport that we are involved in than you can understand the concern. It costs much more to maintain those programs at that level, particularly football.

For Miami and WMU this problem is 10 fold given the number of schools they have to fly too. The move to the NCHC, IMO, was a knee jerk reaction with little consideration for the extra costs involved taken into consideration. Couple that with the fact that Miami's football program is in a shambles and WMU's isn't far behind, then the problem worsens. Miami is in search for a new football coach right now which means ponying up some bucks to try to right the ship. At a D1 school, like it or not, football brings in the majority of the $$$ due to big payouts from the BCS schools when they play them, as well as post season bowl games. But when you're only drawing a couple of thousand to a home game (that number may be generous for Miami) then those large payouts get used up quickly since they are bleeding arterial money on those home games. My guess is that Miami and WMU are rethinking their decision to jump ship.

Another consideration is that Ohio and Kent have both had D1 programs in the past. If either or both were to decide to resurrect their programs, the reformation of the CCHA becomes more compelling monetarily. I can see this happening. Maybe not for a few years after Miami and WMU have a better idea of what their costs will be year in and year out, but I can see it happening.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

I can tell you that the majority of the issue is the travel costs. When you take into consideration all of the other D1 sport that we are involved in than you can understand the concern. It costs much more to maintain those programs at that level, particularly football.

For Miami and WMU this problem is 10 fold given the number of schools they have to fly too. The move to the NCHC, IMO, was a knee jerk reaction with little consideration for the extra costs involved taken into consideration. Couple that with the fact that Miami's football program is in a shambles and WMU's isn't far behind, then the problem worsens. Miami is in search for a new football coach right now which means ponying up some bucks to try to right the ship. At a D1 school, like it or not, football brings in the majority of the $$$ due to big payouts from the BCS schools when they play them, as well as post season bowl games. But when you're only drawing a couple of thousand to a home game (that number may be generous for Miami) then those large payouts get used up quickly since they are bleeding arterial money on those home games. My guess is that Miami and WMU are rethinking their decision to jump ship.

Another consideration is that Ohio and Kent have both had D1 programs in the past. If either or both were to decide to resurrect their programs, the reformation of the CCHA becomes more compelling monetarily. I can see this happening. Maybe not for a few years after Miami and WMU have a better idea of what their costs will be year in and year out, but I can see it happening.

This is a temperate, reasoned response, which is too bad, because we're looking for a school to hate in the nWCHA, and I thought we'd settled on you guys. I feel sympathy for the old CCHA schools, because when OSU, Mich, and Mich State left, it really did cut the heart out of the conference in a way that I think was even more significant than the Gopher and UW departures from the WCHA. It would have been hard for the CCHA to go on without finding at least one marquee name to fill in. When Notre Dame bailed, it was truly over. I don't really blame Miami and WMU for what they did (I do blame NoDak and Denver, but who doesn't?)
Still, I don't think your unfaithful spouse is ever coming back, so you better just start adjusting to your new, long-distance girlfriend. So why don't you come to Mankato this weekend, and spend a lot of money on your new girlfriend, and make her feel loved?
 
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Still, I don't think your unfaithful spouse is ever coming back, so you better just start adjusting to your new, long-distance girlfriend. So why don't you come to Mankato this weekend, and spend a lot of money on your new girlfriend, and make her feel loved?
The new girlfriend might be a butterface, but you can still have fun playing with her nice chest.
 
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It's one thing to be unhappy and be on the lookout for what's coming. It's quite another to actively foment discontent and mess with the future of other teams. If you want to leave fine but quit lying in public about your intentions, it makes it hard to trust you .
 
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It's one thing to be unhappy and be on the lookout for what's coming. It's quite another to actively foment discontent and mess with the future of other teams. If you want to leave fine but quit lying in public about your intentions, it makes it hard to trust you .

Trust? I think all trust among teams went completely out the window when UND and DU pulled their BS 2 years ago. I wouldn't trust a single one of them.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

I would rather have BGSU be up front about this instead of the backroom collusion the NCHC Original Six did.

What I gather from this article isn't that BGSU is unhappy with the WCHA, but moreso that Miami and Western aren't seeing the sandbags of dollar bills that NoDak and DU promised this league.
 
I would rather have BGSU be up front about this instead of the backroom collusion the NCHC Original Six did.

What I gather from this article isn't that BGSU is unhappy with the WCHA, but moreso that Miami and Western aren't seeing the sandbags of dollar bills that NoDak and DU promised this league.

It's college hockey. There aren't any sandbags of dollar bills no matter what league.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

I can tell you that the majority of the issue is the travel costs. When you take into consideration all of the other D1 sport that we are involved in than you can understand the concern. It costs much more to maintain those programs at that level, particularly football.
These costs are built into being D1. It is nobody's fault but BGSU's that they are unprepared to properly fund their D1 sports. Look ... I understand that this has been a problem for this school for more than a little while. It wasn't that long ago that not having hockey at the school could have happened. I also realize that this latest crappola appears to have come from some generic sports writer who isn't that familiar with the college hockey landscape ... but that said, it's crappola that's getting spread around.

For Miami and WMU this problem is 10 fold given the number of schools they have to fly too. The move to the NCHC, IMO, was a knee jerk reaction with little consideration for the extra costs involved taken into consideration. Couple that with the fact that Miami's football program is in a shambles and WMU's isn't far behind, then the problem worsens. Miami is in search for a new football coach right now which means ponying up some bucks to try to right the ship. At a D1 school, like it or not, football brings in the majority of the $$$ due to big payouts from the BCS schools when they play them, as well as post season bowl games. But when you're only drawing a couple of thousand to a home game (that number may be generous for Miami) then those large payouts get used up quickly since they are bleeding arterial money on those home games. My guess is that Miami and WMU are rethinking their decision to jump ship.
The program I follow is oft accused of not being committed to the sport. Yet, few if any teams in the west ever complain about travel expenses. Why? Because every single one of them is committed to the sport. Eastern teams (a generalization of course) sure seem to be less committed to the sport. If they can't travel on a bus then it's arm flailing about expenses? It's tiresome for us teams in the west that have been flying to every game for 30 years or more.

Another consideration is that Ohio and Kent have both had D1 programs in the past. If either or both were to decide to resurrect their programs, the reformation of the CCHA becomes more compelling monetarily. I can see this happening. Maybe not for a few years after Miami and WMU have a better idea of what their costs will be year in and year out, but I can see it happening.
This school or that school starting/restarting their hockey programs is pie in the sky stuff. College Hockey is much more likely to contract than to expand. Penn State was/is the once in a great while exception. Personally, I'll love (if/when) the NCHC falls apart. I would enjoy seeing it happen sooner rather than later but I think now that they've all jumped into the water they know they'll have to swim to the other side ... because the beach they jumped from just isn't there anymore. They nuked it.
 
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...This school or that school starting/restarting their hockey programs is pie in the sky stuff. College Hockey is much more likely to contract than to expand. Penn State was/is the once in a great while exception. Personally, I'll love (if/when) the NCHC falls apart. I would enjoy seeing it happen sooner rather than later but I think now that they've all jumped into the water they know they'll have to swim to the other side ... because the beach they jumped from just isn't there anymore. They nuked it.

Maybe the most astute comment I've read from this source in a while. Not really invested in any team or league, but just hate what the NCHC did to the two midwestern leagues. Agree wholeheartedly.

On a different note.....

WhaTF is with that bu..tt ugly WCHA website? I'm serious, it might be both the ugliest and worst (in terms of usefulness and quality of content) website I've seen since the 90s.
 
Re: The New WCHA 3, Revenge of the Sieve (2013-14)

It's one thing to be unhappy and be on the lookout for what's coming. It's quite another to actively foment discontent and mess with the future of other teams. If you want to leave fine but quit lying in public about your intentions, it makes it hard to trust you .

Kevin Gordon's recent commentary in the BG paper is nothing more than his personal opinion. Several of us have asked him directly to cite sources for these supposed "next realignment" rumors. There are no sources beyond his own fantasies, and some equally delusional blog writer from the Buffalo area.

Would BG have rather seen the CCHA stay together? Sure, that's no secret. Did BG drag their feet at accepting WCHA membership while trying to broker another deal? Certainly, that's documented history. Is Miami a pack of slime-sucking preppy scum that should rot in Hell? You bet, but I'm not bitter;)

I don't think anybody here at BG is trying to "foment (or even ferment) discontent". We don't intend to "mess with the futures of other teams" except during those blessed two and a half hours on Friday and Saturday nights. I don't really care much if you trust us or not, but accusing us "lying in public"?..well that just sounds like you trying to live up to your user name.
 
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I find it hard to believe that Mr. Gordon would make this stuff up from scratch. I guess it's possible, but what would be the point. . From here it appears he is publishing off the record comments from someone at the AD's office. The AD is on record as saying he has no interest in leaving, but if the story is true, he has lots of interest in leaving.


on a new subject, after looking around the league, it is much more equal than I thought it would be at the beginning of the year. It's going to be a dog fight for first place. Not only is Mankato real good, but so is Bemidji, and lake state is no slouch.. The schedule is going to have an effect on how things end up and the Bemidji/ BGSU series the last weekend of the year looks bigger and bigger.
 
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This latest pronouncement is the same retreaded tripe from before. It's a bit ironic that the "only D1 school" is the biggest whiner about travel and the associated expenses. FFS. Let's just kick Toledo Community College out.

Just because you have to fly everywhere doesn't mean others should want to or have to. Just because your team spends half it's season running through airports, doesn't mean everyone else should like it. Personally, I'm looking forward to visiting your great city. But I do not relish the 15 hours of travel to get there and 17 more to get home.

I can guarantee that if the Alaska schools had a couple more schools they could bus to or schools in BC or the northwestern schools like Boise State or Washington to had hockey, the Alaskas would quickly opt for the shorter cheaper flights in a heartbeat,
 
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But I do not relish the 15 hours of travel to get there and 17 more to get home.

Then quit booking your flight to connect at Dallas/Fort Worth. Viola, a couple hours saved right there. :p


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Then quit booking your flight to connect at Dallas/Fort Worth. Viola, a couple hours saved right there. :p


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Anchorage-Seattle-Chicago-Marquette. Leaves ANC 12:35 AT (4:35 ET) Arrives MQT 8:15, by the time I get bags and get home, 16 1/2 hrs. From FAI, even if I had not gone thru DFW, I still wouldn't have gotten back until 9:50 pm. My longest travel was around 22 hrs. Last year 16 just to Green Bay, then the 3 1/2 hr ride home.
 
Anchorage-Seattle-Chicago-Marquette. Leaves ANC 12:35 AT (4:35 ET) Arrives MQT 8:15, by the time I get bags and get home, 16 1/2 hrs. From FAI, even if I had not gone thru DFW, I still wouldn't have gotten back until 9:50 pm. My longest travel was around 22 hrs. Last year 16 just to Green Bay, then the 3 1/2 hr ride home.

That's a long way around. Too bad you couldn't use the ANC-O'hare nonstop. Glad you are making the trip though.
 
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Anchorage-Seattle-Chicago-Marquette. Leaves ANC 12:35 AT (4:35 ET) Arrives MQT 8:15, by the time I get bags and get home, 16 1/2 hrs. From FAI, even if I had not gone thru DFW, I still wouldn't have gotten back until 9:50 pm. My longest travel was around 22 hrs. Last year 16 just to Green Bay, then the 3 1/2 hr ride home.

I would go Anchorage to MSP and rent a car to Marquette. Be there under 13 hours. ;) I might be wrong. It could be under 16 hours.
 
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Anchorage-Seattle-Chicago-Marquette. Leaves ANC 12:35 AT (4:35 ET) Arrives MQT 8:15, by the time I get bags and get home, 16 1/2 hrs. From FAI, even if I had not gone thru DFW, I still wouldn't have gotten back until 9:50 pm. My longest travel was around 22 hrs. Last year 16 just to Green Bay, then the 3 1/2 hr ride home.

You need to fire your travel agent:
http://matrix.itasoftware.com/view/details?session=5c3b29c6-cbc4-4408-8b57-92695f7b61a1

I cut 4 hours off your return trip with one ITA Matrix search...

edit: another quick search shows that if you fly in/out of Iron Mountain, you can get there in 9hrs 41min in flight+layover time. You can get back in 9hrs 42min of flight+layover time.
 
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