The New WCHA (2013-14)

[giwan]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

Ok here's a few more ideas.
I like holding it in the soo. There are quite a number of hockey fans in the soo, it's close to one of the schools, it's centrally located, and here's the kicker. How about Soo Canada. The essar center holds what 5000 fans, and it's a nice arena. Would be worth looking into as well. second idea. students don't normally pay much money to go to a playoff series, alumni do. So Van Andel being near alumni might work as long as it's not too expensive. I'm against the campus sites for the reasons beaver hockey mentioned plus a few more. I think you have to find a neutral site that can 1, not lose too much money, 2. be close enough to go to and 3, will be willing to work with the league to get local people in. Having in soo canada might do all of those things. The greyhounds might not like it but it's not their arena.

The ESSAR Center is nice. Can be one hell of a wait to get back in from CA.

 

[moose97]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

How 'bout this:

Forget a tourney. Play three weeks of best of three series, starting by dropping the 9th (any maybe 10th) place teams. Week 1 of the post season, best of three 1 hosts 8, 2 hosts 7, 3 hosts 6 and 4 hosts 5. Week 2, 1 hosts 4 and 2 hosts 3. Final week, championship three game set at high seed.

Honestly, this may be the best (financial) deal available. You don't have to fly multiple teams to Alaska unless they are 1 and 2 in the final standings - which would be a problem in the current format anyway. Plus, instead of worrying about attendance where home teams (or close teams) are still alive, every game is played in front of a home crowd. Let's look at a hypothetical post-season (loosely based on this years standings):

Week 1:

9) UAA is eliminated
1) Ferris hosts 8) BGSU
2) NMU hosts 7) Mankato
3) LSSU hosts 6) Alaska
4) Tech hosts 5) BSU

Week 2:

1) Ferris hosts 4) Tech
2) NMU hosts 3) LSSU

Week 3:

1) Ferris hosts 2) NMU

Now, let's look at attendance. Tech averaged 2,898; NMU 2,964; LSSU 2,154 and Ferris 1,945. Let's, for argument's sake, say that every series went just 2 games. Home attendance for this "tourney" would be:

1) Ferris (6 games) 11,670
2) NMU (4 games) 11,856
3) LSSU (2 games) 4,308
4) Tech (2 games) 5,796

For a total of - 33,630 *

Figure a ticket price of $20, and all of a sudden, revenue is at least $672,600 + concessions, parking, etc.

Also keep in mind that the top 4 teams in average attendance (BSU, Mankato, UAA, UA_) would not have had a home game in this demonstration. Not to mention a series of two maybe going three games.


* note that this figure tops every current conference tourney except the WCHA Final Five.

 

[aparch]

Green Bay didn't draw flies for the NCAA regional, why would they draw for the "New WCHA?"

Beer sales.

The NCAA doesn't allow it, but a WCHA tourney would have no such restrictions.

 

[giwan]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

Not bad, I like the 3 game series, but is that revenue then shared with the entire conference equally? I think it would be important to equally share, to make the entire conference stronger.

Maybe 9 should play 8 or does that stretch it out to far? Now what if you have 10 teams?

How 'bout this:Forget a tourney. Play three weeks of best of three series, starting by dropping the 9th (any maybe 10th) place teams. Week 1 of the post season, best of three 1 hosts 8, 2 hosts 7, 3 hosts 6 and 4 hosts 5. Week 2, 1 hosts 4 and 2 hosts 3. Final week, championship three game set at high seed.Honestly, this may be the best (financial) deal available. You don't have to fly multiple teams to Alaska unless they are 1 and 2 in the final standings - which would be a problem in the current format anyway. Plus, instead of worrying about attendance where home teams (or close teams) are still alive, every game is played in front of a home crowd. Let's look at a hypothetical post-season (loosely based on this years standings):
Figure a ticket price of $20, and all of a sudden, revenue is at least $672,600 + concessions, parking, etc.
Also keep in mind that the top 4 teams in average attendance (BSU, Mankato, UAA, UA_) would not have had a home game in this demonstration. Not to mention a series of two maybe going three games.
* note that this figure tops every current conference tourney except the WCHA Final Five.

 

[moose97]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

Not bad, I like the 3 game series, but is that revenue then shared with the entire conference equally? I think it would be important to equally share, to make the entire conference stronger.

Ideally, yes. Share with everyone. However, first teams need to have arena expenses and travel cost covered. If there is excess, then disperse to everyone equally.

Maybe 9 should play 8 or does that stretch it out to far? Now what if you have 10 teams?

I don't think you can go 4 weeks of playoffs. Especially if it's just one series. Maybe you could have #9 and #8 travel to #1 (and #10 and #7 to #2) and have a "play-in" game, but that's just adding to conference cost with little added revenue for the conference (two more teams travel and you won't get much of a crowd from the #1 & #2 seeds fans).

 

[jdmaxim23]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

Ideally, yes. Share with everyone. However, first teams need to have arena expenses and travel cost covered. If there is excess, then disperse to everyone equally.



I don't think you can go 4 weeks of playoffs. Especially if it's just one series. Maybe you could have #9 and #8 travel to #1 (and #10 and #7 to #2) and have a "play-in" game, but that's just adding to conference cost with little added revenue for the conference (two more teams travel and you won't get much of a crowd from the #1 & #2 seeds fans).

I like this idea. I have heard others mention it and think it could a pretty good experiment. From a players perspective, it adds alot of potential games into the year which is always good. Between playing the Alaska teams and getting the exemptions for more games and this I think it could be an added bonus for recruiting to sell extra games, and a "NHL" style playoff format. And like you said, on years where BSU and MSU are at the top (which I think will be more than not) the attendance will take a bigger bump up yet.

I'm all for trying anything, I just hope that the Administrators are diligently reviewing this and not listening to the idiot McCleod, which by the way, why the hell is the WCHA office still in Denver?? It needs to get out of there this summer and start looking to the future cause the NCHC teams certainly are.

 

[aparch]

What ever happened to the building where UIC used to play? I remember it was pretty nice (15-20 yrs ago, anyway)

I think the iceplant got removed. It's basically just a basketball arena now anyway for UIC. Nothing ice related in years (that I've heard).

If I'm not mistaken, there's a USHL team that plays in the suburb of Bensenville...I think that's about a five-iron from O'Hare. I don't know what they hold, but a place like that might be a good starting point.

No. It's a 2000ish seat barn. And I don't mean that nicely. The Berry Events Center is better than the the Bensenville rink. Even the Blackhawks quit using it as a practice facility.

Getting connections in/out of Chicago is easy no matter where you're coming from.

Allstate is 16k just minutes from the B1G offices, and would be a giant middle finger to them if the WCHA was successful.

Sears Centre in Hoffman Mistakes ... Err Hoffman Estates is a little smaller and would be better.

But, I think the Bradley Center would be looked at as an option before either Chicago arenas.

 

[aparch]

...why the hell is the WCHA office still in Denver?? ...

I'd certainly like to know the same thing. But, I doubt the current WCHA teams want to change anything until after they leave (hence the vote to change the by-laws to vacate those teams from future decisions while keeping them for current decisions).

So, if anything, the WCHA could only vote as to where to pit the league offices AFTER the 2012-2013 season ends.


I'd like to hear them say they'll be located in Farmington Hills until and utilizing CCHA office staff.

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

We can only hope that wherever they decide to move the offices, Bruce McLeod is told not to bother showing up. Once this settles down, it's time for fresh blood in the commish's office.

 

[MavHockey14]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

McLeod is welcome to take Jutting on his way out as well.

 

[aparch]

We can only hope that wherever they decide to move the offices, Bruce McLeod is told not to bother showing up. Once this settles down, it's time for fresh blood in the commish's office.

Whoever it is, please let it NOT be Huskyfan's pick of the MTU alum heading up the ECAC. Because I'd like to have the tourney on some form of television. And the conference tourney held somewhere other than the dilapilated barn that the AHL all-star game was held this past season.

 

[davyd83]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

Whoever it is, please let it NOT be Huskyfan's pick of the MTU alum heading up the ECAC. Because I'd like to have the tourney on some form of television. And the conference tourney held somewhere other than the dilapilated barn that the AHL all-star game was held this past season.

Pretend I'm a TV exec. Why should I put out the expense to air this tourney? Will I be able to profit from it?

 

[UMDbulldogs#1]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

I'm all for trying anything, I just hope that the Administrators are diligently reviewing this and not listening to the idiot McCleod, which by the way, why the hell is the WCHA office still in Denver?? It needs to get out of there this summer and start looking to the future cause the NCHC teams certainly are.

They have offices in Madison as well. Just a guess, but the office was probably originally placed in Denver because DU is a founding member, Denver is a large city with a major airport, is close to USA Hockey's office in Colorado Springs, and I doubt they pay much for rent being on DU's campus. Don't know why they would keep them there after Denver and Colorado college leave.

 

[MavHockey14]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

WCHA has roots in Colorado with Denver and Colorado College being founding members of the WCHA. The league offices are on DU's campus. FWIW, USA Hockey is in Colorado Springs.

This was understandable and known. I believe the question was more related as to why keep the office there still, which also has been discussed and answered.

 

[aparch]

Pretend I'm a TV exec. Why should I put out the expense to air this tourney? Will I be able to profit from it?

Sure, because depending on what the agreement is, the league might be buying the air time.

I think FSWisconsin could use the revenue boost (since FSNorth and FSDetroit would be airing the B1G and NCHC tourneys).

Maybe even FSMidwest and FSOhio could simulcast. Depending on the venue... And the size of the check for the air time.



Worst case, the tourney could be broadcast on Minnesota Public Television.



Seriously. I want a commissioner who can pick up a phone and dial a number correctly. One who's going to push this league forward. Unlike the ECAC commish who set back there conference media relations to the 1940's.

 

[huskyfan]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

: bah. what's not to like about Jamie Russell? he'd be a great spokesman and his head isn't buried in 1950's media. but I do agree, the WCHA needs to get out of Denver yesterday. Madison wouldn't be a bad location for the league office. centrally located. big and nice enough town to attract talented people. maybe the Badgers would loan us the Kohl for the playoffs.

 

[moose97]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

I think FSWisconsin could use the revenue boost (since FSNorth and FSDetroit would be airing the B1G ... tourney).

Cough, Big 10 Network, cough...

 

[MavHockey14]

Sure, because depending on what the agreement is, the league might be buying the air time.

I think FSWisconsin could use the revenue boost (since FSNorth and FSDetroit would be airing the B1G and NCHC tourneys).

Maybe even FSMidwest and FSOhio could simulcast. Depending on the venue... And the size of the check for the air time.



Worst case, the tourney could be broadcast on Minnesota Public Television.



Seriously. I want a commissioner who can pick up a phone and dial a number correctly. One who's going to push this league forward. Unlike the ECAC commish who set back there conference media relations to the 1940's.

Doesn't FSNorth lose the Gophers to BTN?

 

[The Rube]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

Doesn't FSNorth lose the Gophers to BTN?

If BTN doesn't show MN, I've heard FSN can pick them up.

 

[5mn_Major]

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Madison wouldn't be a bad location for the league office. centrally located. big and nice enough town to attract talented people. maybe the Badgers would loan us the Kohl for the playoffs.

I'm not sure what the full set of priorities are for a league office. Of the future league, 5 programs are in MI...including 3 in the UP...with 2 in Minnesota and 2 in Alaska.

I like Marquette...unless air travel, access to hockey resources or player recruitment are priorities in which case I might consider the twin cities, madison or duluth in that order.