The New WCHA (2013-14)

[aparch]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

Okay. Here is NMU's current streaming costs with B2:
- All sports: $125 for Football, Hockey, Basketball, Soccer, Volleyball.
America One (B2LiveTV) doesn't have a full schedule handy, but knowing it's all home games + some road games, I would ballpark this at roughly 80 to 100 games available. Breaks down to ≈ $1.25 per game (all sports).
- Hockey Only is $75. Ballparking it again, it's just home games and select road games, roughly 25 games. Breaks down to ≈ $3.00 per game (hockey only, missing some games).
- Single games are $8.00.

NewLion covers The AHL, OHL, WHL, BCHL, and CHL (Central Hockey League) for roughly the same price. I'll use the AHL's pricing breakdowns:
- All Access: All thirty teams, all games. $399.99
(76 games * 15 (two teams per game)) = 1140 games ≈ $0.35 /gm
- Team pass: One team, all games. $199.99 - 76 games ≈ $2.63 /gm
- Team away games only: One team, only away games. $124.99 - 38 games ≈$3.29
- Ten Game Packs 59.99 ≈ $6.00 /gm
- Five Game Packs 31.99 ≈ $6.40 /gm
- Single Games are $6.99



So, our hypothetical New WCHA streaming video player with Roku channel access should break down as follows:
- All Access WCHA - $130.00
10 teams, estimate 40 games (include final five and exhibition for each team) = 200 games throughout the league at $0.65 a game.
- Team Pass WCHA - $90.00
Again, figure 40 games, you pay for post season and final five coverage. ≈ $2.25 a game
- Single Games - $7.00

 

[pdt1081]

BGSU fans have their own forum at www.ay-ziggy-zoomba.com. They tend to hang out there, so you don't see them in these forums much.

There are a few of us that lurk around here, but don't post much.

I'll post up a link on our board and see if anybody has anything to contribute.

 

[manurespreader]

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I'm interested to hear what the CCHA teams think of their reffing. FWIW during the GLI I have found the refs to be better than the typical wcha refs are in the regular season. So what I'm getting at is what are the differences between the leagues and how will the new league handle the ref organization.

 

[bronconick]

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I would hope so. Maybe I have a little too much blind faith, but I get the feeling that the wheels are in motion... And headed in the right direction.

I definitely think the CCHA finally was righting itself after what Amastos did, and the WCHA needs to take that, and improve and run with it.


I had a breakdown for estimated pricing of the proposed feeds based on NeuLion (AHL, CHL, WHL, OHL, BCHL) that I'll try to re-post tomorrow.

Even the CCHA's facebook feed/ youtube links to highlights seem to be better this year after Big Ten Anastos left.

On all the web stuff, the MAC seems to have a lot of free web streams on their site, which is new this year. (mac-sports.com) Quality is inconsistent as it seems to be run by individual schools. I've seen a few Western home basketball games on there despite WMU having a "Bronco Insider" pay plan similar to what you mentioned for NMU. I'm not sure how that works.

 

[pdt1081]

I'm interested to hear what the CCHA teams think of their reffing. FWIW during the GLI I have found the refs to be better than the typical wcha refs are in the regular season. So what I'm getting at is what are the differences between the leagues and how will the new league handle the ref organization.

Very inconsistent. Not just game to game either. The inconsistency during a period is laughable. Open ice tackles go uncalled, while players, coaches, and fans are left scratching their heads on penalties that are actually called.

 

[aparch]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

I'm interested to hear what the CCHA teams think of their reffing. FWIW during the GLI I have found the refs to be better than the typical wcha refs are in the regular season. So what I'm getting at is what are the differences between the leagues and how will the new league handle the ref organization.

Very inconsistent. Not just game to game either. The inconsistency during a period is laughable. Open ice tackles go uncalled, while players, coaches, and fans are left scratching their heads on penalties that are actually called.

Yep. Lots to be desired by the way calls are made throughout the game, and as noted, the periods themselves. There also seems to be a bit of a hesitation with some of the officials on who makes the call, even though both water winged zebras are allowed to make the call.

It's frustrating to watch as a fan, because you never know just when a gritty play is really a penalty, or why that mauling was legal.

 

[giwan]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

I'm interested to hear what the CCHA teams think of their reffing. FWIW during the GLI I have found the refs to be better than the typical wcha refs are in the regular season. So what I'm getting at is what are the differences between the leagues and how will the new league handle the ref organization.

Everyone complains about reffing, regardless of league, location, era, time, place, planet, universe, and/or dimension. FACT

 

[manurespreader]

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Well what we do not want to happen is the b1g/ bhhc to get all the top refs and the WCHA gets left in the cold again. If we are proactive about what we want from them and how we might structure the travel and pay we might end up with something pretty good. Either that or we all share, which I would prefer. However that would mean the rules of the three leagues are pretty much the same.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

Well what we do not want to happen is the b1g/ bhhc to get all the top refs and the WCHA gets left in the cold again. If we are proactive about what we want from them and how we might structure the travel and pay we might end up with something pretty good. Either that or we all share, which I would prefer. However that would mean the rules of the three leagues are pretty much the same.

There is no such thing as "the top refs." They all suck.

 

[manurespreader]

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interesting article on cable tv.

http://www.moneytalksnews.com/2011/10/05/cut-your-cable-bill-90-percent-with-these-3-steps/

 

[4four4]

Re: The New WCHA (2013-14)

I'm interested to hear what the CCHA teams think of their reffing. FWIW during the GLI I have found the refs to be better than the typical wcha refs are in the regular season. So what I'm getting at is what are the differences between the leagues and how will the new league handle the ref organization.

From what I have heard the Big Ten will get the top refs of their choice. The reason? They will pay the best. The new league and the WCHA will get the rest.

 

[Iwearpurple]

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From what I have heard the Big Ten will get the top refs of their choice. The reason? They will pay the best. The new league and the WCHA will get the rest.

I would imagine that means Shephard and Adam will stay in the WCHA.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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From what I have heard the Big Ten will get the top refs of their choice. The reason? They will pay the best. The new league and the WCHA will get the rest.

feel free to name those "top refs" because I doubt anyone can actually name them. Although, personally, I think the issue is leadership, not the refs themselves.

 

[4four4]

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feel free to name those "top refs" because I doubt anyone can actually name them. Although, personally, I think the issue is leadership, not the refs themselves.

C.J. Beaurline comes to mind.

 

[Hammer]

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Matt Shegos. The tallest midget, if you will.

 

[The Rube]

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C.J. Beaurline comes to mind.

I wish Campion would unretire, I'd add him, too. Some of us talked with Campion/CJ at the bar after a couple series, asked them about certain calls, and with their explanations, we agreed with the calls at that time, even if we didn't during the game.

 

[giwan]

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From what I have heard the Big Ten will get the top refs of their choice. The reason? They will pay the best. The new league and the WCHA will get the rest.

What is the typical outlay for refs?

 

[uaafanblog]

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Make it widely available. It's a marketing tool, why should it be tied to one device? iPod, iPhone, and iPhone apps should be looked at too. I like what Vancouver has for an iPhone/iPod app.

Making people buy some box will guarantee you a very limited audience. Make it free and stream it on the web. No reason to put some company and some box inbetween.

There isn't enough revenue from internet streaming for any of these schools to need to grubbily hold onto it. Write the couple of thousand dollars off and provide the streams for FREE. Work with College Hockey inc to market it. You want junior aged (and younger) players to get exposed to the league. Giving it away is the only way that works.

 

[MavsFan]

Making people buy some box will guarantee you a very limited audience. Make it free and stream it on the web. No reason to put some company and some box inbetween.

There isn't enough revenue from internet streaming for any of these schools to need to grubbily hold onto it. Write the couple of thousand dollars off and provide the streams for FREE. Work with College Hockey inc to market it. You want junior aged (and younger) players to get exposed to the league. Giving it away is the only way that works.

You can do both. MLB.TV and NHL both have regular internet streaming and availability on Roku, AppleTV, etc. I want it on Roku so I can easily watch on the 40" TV instead of a 15" computer screen.

 

[uaafanblog]

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You can do both. MLB.TV and NHL both have regular internet streaming and availability on Roku, AppleTV, etc. I want it on Roku so I can easily watch on the 40" TV instead of a 15" computer screen.

Yeah that's all good. I just want to emphasize what I've been thinking and saying outside of here. Giving the streams away for free is a long term investment for the league. Exposure in canadia will help recruiting when jr. players there see that the hockey is every bit as good as any they are seeing on CBS Sports or whatever.

If the member schools are convinced they can make 2 or 3 dollars selling their product they need to be made aware that such short term thinking isn't going to help anything.