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Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
What you're doing to that horse is illegal in 49 states.
What you're doing to that horse is illegal in 49 states.
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The new Super League is going down the tubes.
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Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.
Then how are they not supported by the big schools like UND? Maybe they should fold the program. Well, that's your stance, right?
Hey, history is history. I am speaking to what I know of, in the time I have been a fan. And what I see are people like you whose school got theirs, and giving the finger to other schools. Hockey is a different beast, we all know this, because of regionality, and the makeup of the conferences. This was a chance to make room for healthy growth, and the BTHC and NCHC have peed it away.
Then how are they not supported by the big schools like UND? Maybe they should fold the program. Well, that's your stance, right?
Hey, history is history. I am speaking to what I know of, in the time I have been a fan. And what I see are people like you whose school got theirs, and giving the finger to other schools. Hockey is a different beast, we all know this, because of regionality, and the makeup of the conferences. This was a chance to make room for healthy growth, and the BTHC and NCHC have peed it away.
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I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.
I can't tell if that's sarcasm or not.
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The WCHA already had invited Miami and Notre Dame to get back to 12. The CCHA would have been sitting around waiting to see if someone wanted to start a program before Ferris or Lake State dropped theirs leaving the conference below 6 teams. It's been mentioned already that NMU was running the same budget for hockey for a number of years, meaning that I can guess that the 3 DII Michigan programs weren't going to vote in UAH, and with Alaska still in the conference, no one in Atlantic Hockey was going to come over.
The WCHA already had invited Miami and Notre Dame to get back to 12. The CCHA would have been sitting around waiting to see if someone wanted to start a program before Ferris or Lake State dropped theirs leaving the conference below 6 teams. It's been mentioned already that NMU was running the same budget for hockey for a number of years, meaning that I can guess that the 3 DII Michigan programs weren't going to vote in UAH, and with Alaska still in the conference, no one in Atlantic Hockey was going to come over.
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Miami I could see joining. I couldn't see ND joining, using their current status as an indicator.
Miami I could see joining. I couldn't see ND joining, using their current status as an indicator.
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This is a different horse thoughWhat you're doing to that horse is illegal in 49 states.
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To be fair, outside of the blowouts to North Dakota last year, that was the worst series I've ever watched Tech play, and Northern wasn't much better. We're all sorry that you and the rest of tInvasion 1.0 had to see that garbage. I've seen much better games between both, and if we're playing 4x a year, it can be a legit rivalry again.
To be fair, outside of the blowouts to North Dakota last year, that was the worst series I've ever watched Tech play, and Northern wasn't much better. We're all sorry that you and the rest of tInvasion 1.0 had to see that garbage. I've seen much better games between both, and if we're playing 4x a year, it can be a legit rivalry again.
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I did not miss a Tech game unless my parents had friends in town that got use the extra two tickets... Didn't see a lot of Minnesota games.
I understand the pain of being AWFUL, but it really seems as though Tech's current AD is looking to bring back the glory years, but we won't get to do it against the teams I've watched for last 25 years, that is what ****es me off more than anything here. I wanted to see Tech rise again and still hope they do in the WCHA, but its not the same, the revenge factor is missing.
And I was 9 and at those games when LSSU won the title in '94. I had a Anchor on my face and lost my voice yelling at every goal. Learned how to smell m-i-n-n-e-s-o-t-a from rodents fans the night before. I still have the pins I collected from the old hockey fans at the bars after the games with my Dad. College hockey has had a special place to me because it put teams like Tech, UMD and CC on equal footing with Minnesota, UND, Wisconsin. That college hockey is now dead and that is really really unfortunate, it didn't have to be....
I did not miss a Tech game unless my parents had friends in town that got use the extra two tickets... Didn't see a lot of Minnesota games.
I understand the pain of being AWFUL, but it really seems as though Tech's current AD is looking to bring back the glory years, but we won't get to do it against the teams I've watched for last 25 years, that is what ****es me off more than anything here. I wanted to see Tech rise again and still hope they do in the WCHA, but its not the same, the revenge factor is missing. And I was 9 and at those games when LSSU won the title in '94. I had a Anchor on my face and lost my voice yelling at every goal. Learned how to smell m-i-n-n-e-s-o-t-a from rodents fans the night before. I still have the pins I collected from the old hockey fans at the bars after the games with my Dad. College hockey has had a special place to me because it put teams like Tech, UMD and CC on equal footing with Minnesota, UND, Wisconsin. That college hockey is now dead and that is really really unfortunate, it didn't have to be....
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Maybe, we'll see. Not much we can do about the Big 10 - that's all way above our heads, and frankly, has nothing at all to do with hockey. It's an academic and football alliance, hockey just gets dragged along (CC and DU are lucky that the Pac is not, and never will be, a hockey conference... they could never compete with CU if they had more than a club team.)
But taking away the Big 10 schools, there are still going to be five hockey conferences. Today we have Atlantic, HE, ECAC, WCHA, and CCHA. Okay, in a few years we'll have all of those, minus the CCHA, plus the NCHC. There should be just as much room for growth.
The only difference will be the hierarchy, that's what you despise. The NCHC will take a team from another conference (probably the WCHA) as they see fit. And they'll be back-filled with growth. St. Cloud leaves to NCHC. WCHA adds Moorhead.
I think our only disagreement is whether that tiered hierarchy of conferences is "healthy" or not. But growth shouldn't be stymied, it'll just be different.
By my count, the WCHA has 8 teams today. They can take Bowling green and UAH and they'll be at 10. Which still leaves room to add two schools to D1 hockey to get to today's 12, before the NCHC even considers any more expansion (which it probably will, especially if Notre Dame comes on to make it 9).
You just don't like a hierarchy of conferences, I don't think.
Maybe, we'll see. Not much we can do about the Big 10 - that's all way above our heads, and frankly, has nothing at all to do with hockey. It's an academic and football alliance, hockey just gets dragged along (CC and DU are lucky that the Pac is not, and never will be, a hockey conference... they could never compete with CU if they had more than a club team.)
But taking away the Big 10 schools, there are still going to be five hockey conferences. Today we have Atlantic, HE, ECAC, WCHA, and CCHA. Okay, in a few years we'll have all of those, minus the CCHA, plus the NCHC. There should be just as much room for growth.
The only difference will be the hierarchy, that's what you despise. The NCHC will take a team from another conference (probably the WCHA) as they see fit. And they'll be back-filled with growth. St. Cloud leaves to NCHC. WCHA adds Moorhead.
I think our only disagreement is whether that tiered hierarchy of conferences is "healthy" or not. But growth shouldn't be stymied, it'll just be different.
By my count, the WCHA has 8 teams today. They can take Bowling green and UAH and they'll be at 10. Which still leaves room to add two schools to D1 hockey to get to today's 12, before the NCHC even considers any more expansion (which it probably will, especially if Notre Dame comes on to make it 9).
You just don't like a hierarchy of conferences, I don't think.
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Have you ever heard of The Scorpion and the Frog/Turtle fable? I understand that you believe you shouldn't have to prop up programs, and I get that. But, what would happen if a lot of schools could not be D-1 anymore? Would the prospects go through Canadian Juniors? I am just curious at what point do you start wondering when some of these smaller programs go under, that it is not good for the NCHC, B1G, or anyone?
Have you ever heard of The Scorpion and the Frog/Turtle fable? I understand that you believe you shouldn't have to prop up programs, and I get that. But, what would happen if a lot of schools could not be D-1 anymore? Would the prospects go through Canadian Juniors? I am just curious at what point do you start wondering when some of these smaller programs go under, that it is not good for the NCHC, B1G, or anyone?
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I've got a pretty good pin collection myself, heavy on Wisconsin and CC, haha. My dad was a Minnesota alum... I learned what a "varmint" was from the heckling of the fans doing the MINNESOTA cheers.
Maybe it's distance, I don't know... Colorado is awfully far from most everybody else... I just don't see the remainder-WCHA as that bad. I probably miss some of the geographical nuance, though. For example, I don't know where Ferris State fits into the greater-Michigan hockey universe.
I did not miss a Tech game unless my parents had friends in town that got use the extra two tickets... Didn't see a lot of Minnesota games.
And I was 9 and at those games when LSSU won the title in '94. I had a Anchor on my face and lost my voice yelling at every goal. Learned how to smell m-i-n-n-e-s-o-t-a from rodents fans the night before. I still have the pins I collected from the old hockey fans at the bars after the games with my Dad. College hockey has had a special place to me because it put teams like Tech, UMD and CC on equal footing with Minnesota, UND, Wisconsin. That college hockey is now dead and that is really really unfortunate, it didn't have to be....
I've got a pretty good pin collection myself, heavy on Wisconsin and CC, haha. My dad was a Minnesota alum... I learned what a "varmint" was from the heckling of the fans doing the MINNESOTA cheers.
Maybe it's distance, I don't know... Colorado is awfully far from most everybody else... I just don't see the remainder-WCHA as that bad. I probably miss some of the geographical nuance, though. For example, I don't know where Ferris State fits into the greater-Michigan hockey universe.
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College hockey isn't pulling in that many of the best prospects now, and the ones who do come stick mostly to the marquee programs, I think. I don't see Bowling Green drawing many top-notch major junior prospects. You're talking a half dozen probably... the big Big-10 schools, the Boston schools, North Dakota, Denver... that's probably it. Lumping those few schools together as much as possible probably helps the chances of developing top notch (NHL-quality) talent in college hockey. I'm not even talking NCHC... I think that's a valiant attempt to compete, but I think we'll all be fighting against the Big 10 for the best recruits.
I still don't think this means programs go under inevitably. I think we'll get a hierarchy of conferences within D1, but every sport has that (hence nicknames like the "Big Least"). Hockey allows for a lot of non-conference scheduling opportunities. Programs will develop new rivals. I keep going back to Michigan Tech... I really think being competitive against other Michigan schools should be better long-term than getting beat up by Denver. Get those marketing departments fired up - sell the program, build rivalries. That's your AD's other job.
College hockey isn't pulling in that many of the best prospects now, and the ones who do come stick mostly to the marquee programs, I think. I don't see Bowling Green drawing many top-notch major junior prospects. You're talking a half dozen probably... the big Big-10 schools, the Boston schools, North Dakota, Denver... that's probably it. Lumping those few schools together as much as possible probably helps the chances of developing top notch (NHL-quality) talent in college hockey. I'm not even talking NCHC... I think that's a valiant attempt to compete, but I think we'll all be fighting against the Big 10 for the best recruits.
I still don't think this means programs go under inevitably. I think we'll get a hierarchy of conferences within D1, but every sport has that (hence nicknames like the "Big Least"). Hockey allows for a lot of non-conference scheduling opportunities. Programs will develop new rivals. I keep going back to Michigan Tech... I really think being competitive against other Michigan schools should be better long-term than getting beat up by Denver. Get those marketing departments fired up - sell the program, build rivalries. That's your AD's other job.
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Who said I'm Bemidji graduate?. You are the tool, not UAH.
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Yes, I speak English. For a living.
Not a Bemidji grad? Oregon State? Or maybe not a grad at all, that would fit.
Yes, I speak English. For a living.
Not a Bemidji grad? Oregon State? Or maybe not a grad at all, that would fit.
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Really? Hockey East plays a 27 game schedule out of 34 games we are allowed to play. That's 80% of our schedule right there. One of the biggest complaints about the PWR (or pretty much any ranking system) is the small sample size of non-conference games.
Really? Hockey East plays a 27 game schedule out of 34 games we are allowed to play. That's 80% of our schedule right there. One of the biggest complaints about the PWR (or pretty much any ranking system) is the small sample size of non-conference games.
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Who said I'm Bemidji graduate?. You are the tool, not UAH.
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That's not horrible. And with conferences shrinking, it'll get better. The Big 10 will only play a 20-game conference schedule.
Denver's schedule this year has them playing 11 conference teams, and 7 non-conference teams. They're not all 2-game series (they share with CC sometimes, 1-and-1 with two out-of-town teams), but that's a pretty good spread.
It's all in your scheduling. If Alabama-Huntsville can find teams to play (and 1/3 of their schedule this year is against future NCHC squads), I have no doubt that the remaining WCHA teams will be able to muster a decent non-conference schedule.
That's not horrible. And with conferences shrinking, it'll get better. The Big 10 will only play a 20-game conference schedule.
Denver's schedule this year has them playing 11 conference teams, and 7 non-conference teams. They're not all 2-game series (they share with CC sometimes, 1-and-1 with two out-of-town teams), but that's a pretty good spread.
It's all in your scheduling. If Alabama-Huntsville can find teams to play (and 1/3 of their schedule this year is against future NCHC squads), I have no doubt that the remaining WCHA teams will be able to muster a decent non-conference schedule.
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