The new Super League is going down the tubes.

[JF_Gophers]

Re: The new Super League is going down the tubes.

Yeah why limit the damage to the small midwestern programs? Undermine some small east-coast schools too! It's only fair!

HE would probably be better off at 8 schools (or less) anyways.

Hard to keep up with the changes. Lets see what this would look like.

B1G (6): Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Michigan State, Ohio State, Penn State
NCHC (6): North Dakota, Minn-Duluth, Miami-Ohio, Neb-Omaha, Colorado College, Denver
WCHA (6): Minn St. Mankato, SCSU, Bemidji St., No. Michigan, Alaska-Anchorage, Michigan Tech
CCHA (8): Ferris State, Alaska, LSSU, Bowling Green, Robert Morris, Canisius, Niagara, Mercyhurst
AH (8): RIT, Air Force, Holy Cross, Connecticut, Army, Bentley, Sacred Heart, AIC
NCHC-E (6): Notre Dame, WMU, BC, BU, New Hampshire, Maine
ECAC (6): Union, RPI, Clarkson, Quinnipiac, SLU, Colgate
IVY (6): Princeton, Harvard, Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, Cornell
HE (6): Merrimack, Northeastern, Vermont, Massachusetts, Providence, Mass-Lowell
Indp (1): Ala-Huntsville

That's 9 autobids to the NCAA tournament by 2015-16.

 

[dggoddard]

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HE would probably be better off at 8 schools anyways.

If the smaller HE schools admitted Notre Dame they would be signing their death warrant. Sooner or later the "big six or eight" would bolt.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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All games would be in prime time for Versus (7pm Et starts). Two big regions: City of Boston and Notre Dame's NBC followers. And teams that are instantly recognizable for bouncyball fans (BC, BU, ND).

I hope the call the league the American Collegiate Hockey Conference. And then schedule interleague play with the NCHC.

Would the American CHC teams get to use a designated hitter? It'd be the first time an eastern college hockey team ever tried to hit.

 

[Priceless]

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I said this on Twitter and will expand on it here:

Maybe its sentimentality or regional pride, but I think loyalty means more here in New England than in other parts of the country. BC and BU are not going to desert Providence and Northeastern after they took the chance to form a new league in 1983. Teams out west may value other things more and make moves to match their values...New England isn't like that. I like Hockey East the way it is. We don't need to be adding teams from Indiana or telling schools like UMA, UVM to get lost. In the end HEA may add Notre Dame just because the brand would strengthen the league, but it would really surprise me. I think (hope) that we're immune to the "me first" mentality that seems to have infected so many schools.

 

[state of hockey]

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Yeah, that is definitely sentimentality or regional pride.

 

[JF_Gophers]

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Wow, you are drinking the kool-aid if you think those teams are going to stay together in perpetuity simply due to loyalty.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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These moves are about money.
The only place "loyalty" comes before "money" is in the dictionary.

 

[pgv]

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I said this on Twitter and will expand on it here:

Maybe its sentimentality or regional pride, but I think loyalty means more here in New England than in other parts of the country. BC and BU are not going to desert Providence and Northeastern after they took the chance to form a new league in 1983. Teams out west may value other things more and make moves to match their values...New England isn't like that. I like Hockey East the way it is. We don't need to be adding teams from Indiana or telling schools like UMA, UVM to get lost. In the end HEA may add Notre Dame just because the brand would strengthen the league, but it would really surprise me. I think (hope) that we're immune to the "me first" mentality that seems to have infected so many schools.

I agree with most of your thoughts, but lets not forget the track record at the Heights. BC had no problem kicking UConn and Providence to the curb when the ACC opportunity arose. I realize that its apples and oranges to compare football/basketball with hockey, I'm just noting that BC's been down this road before, with local teams they had formed a new league with....

 

[bigblue_dl]

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I said this on Twitter and will expand on it here:

Maybe its sentimentality or regional pride, but I think loyalty means more here in New England than in other parts of the country. BC and BU are not going to desert Providence and Northeastern after they took the chance to form a new league in 1983. Teams out west may value other things more and make moves to match their values...New England isn't like that. I like Hockey East the way it is. We don't need to be adding teams from Indiana or telling schools like UMA, UVM to get lost. In the end HEA may add Notre Dame just because the brand would strengthen the league, but it would really surprise me. I think (hope) that we're immune to the "me first" mentality that seems to have infected so many schools.

I would have thought the same thing about the schools around here as little as 8 months ago.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Wow, you are drinking the kool-aid if you think those teams are going to stay together in perpetuity simply due to loyalty.

Exactly...if anything, I would have thought the Midwestern values of programs like North Dakota and Minnesota-Duluth would have prevented this from happening. I was wrong and that's the biggest reason I blame UND more than anyone else for the formation of the NCHC. DU, CC and UNO are outliers so to them the travel really isn't a big deal. HEA is just as susceptible to this as the WCHA/CCHA was...the issue is when that first domino will fall. Obviously all of the western issues happened because of Terry Pegula's money and the formation of the B1G Mistake. Will BC and BU push for this to align with Notre Dame now or in the not so distant future? If Notre Dame joins Hockey East, I like many others, think its only a matter of time before an ACHC (haha, love that) forms out East.

 

[The Sicatoka]

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Exactly...if anything, I would have thought the Midwestern values of programs like North Dakota and Minnesota-Duluth would have prevented this from happening. I was wrong and that's the biggest reason I blame UND more than anyone else for the formation of the NCHC. DU, CC and UNO are outliers so to them the travel really isn't a big deal.

Wait a minute here ... North Dakota is a desolate, isolated place, it's an "outlier", or at least that's the spin here.
If DU, CC, and UNO get the "outliers" pass so should North Dakota, or the spin should stop.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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Wait a minute here ... North Dakota is a desolate, isolated place, it's an "outlier", or at least that's the spin here.
If DU, CC, and UNO get the "outliers" pass so should North Dakota, or the spin should stop.

North Dakota is a lot closer to the Minnesota schools than the rest. Travel costs don't really change for DU, CC and UNO whether they are in the NCHC or not. The state might be desolate, isolated and an outlier overall but Grand Forks is a stones throw (or a flood river canoe ride) from Minnesota.

Don't tell me what my opinion of your school should be!

 

[dggoddard]

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I said this on Twitter and will expand on it here:

Maybe its sentimentality or regional pride, but I think loyalty means more here in New England than in other parts of the country. BC and BU are not going to desert Providence and Northeastern after they took the chance to form a new league in 1983. Teams out west may value other things more and make moves to match their values...New England isn't like that. I like Hockey East the way it is. We don't need to be adding teams from Indiana or telling schools like UMA, UVM to get lost. In the end HEA may add Notre Dame just because the brand would strengthen the league, but it would really surprise me. I think (hope) that we're immune to the "me first" mentality that seems to have infected so many schools.

Anyone who thinks that BC and likely BU weren't in serious conversations with the NCHC is crazy. Who knows how far the conversations progressed or who pulled the plug on the deal (ADs, Prezs), but these schools were in the mix for a considerable length of time.

 

[slurpees]

Anyone who thinks that BC and likely BU weren't in conversations with the NCHC is crazy. Who knows how far the conversations progressed or who pulled the plug on the deal (ADs, Prezs), but these schools were in the mix for a considerable length of time.

They may have been, and it has already been published that both declined offers, but I would doubt that either was seriously considering the move. First, neither would make the move without the other. Second, I cannot fathom Jack or Jerry liking the move at all. Airplane travel nearly every weekend would probably end up forcing both into early retirement. Not to mention losing games against many traditional rivals. Third, I have difficulty believing either AD would want the astronomical increase in travel costs on their budget to play against a level of competition that's more or less equal to what they already play in HE. BC already spends enough on ACC travel as it is. There may have been some preliminary discussions, but I don't believe this materialized into anything serious.

 

[Shirtless Guy]

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They may have been, and it has already been published that both declined offers, but I would doubt that either was seriously considering the move. First, neither would make the move without the other. Second, I cannot fathom Jack or Jerry liking the move at all. Airplane travel nearly every weekend would probably end up forcing both into early retirement. Not to mention losing games against many traditional rivals. Third, I have difficulty believing either AD would want the astronomical increase in travel costs on their budget to play against a level of competition that's more or less equal to what they already play in HE. BC already spends enough on ACC travel as it is. There may have been some preliminary discussions, but I don't believe this materialized into anything serious.

Thats why were now suggesting the new 3rd option for notre dame is to create their own conference with Western and the "Big 4" of Hockey East. It makes more sense for travel. BC and BU can keep playing many of the left behind schools in NC and take 2 flights a year to ND and WMU.

 

[Priceless]

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Anyone who thinks that BC and likely BU weren't in conversations with the NCHC is crazy. Who knows how far the conversations progressed or who pulled the plug on the deal (ADs, Prezs), but these schools were in the mix for a considerable length of time.

You could very well be right. Of course the conversation could have been "DU AD: We're forming a new conference, want to join?" "Jack Parker: Pound sand"

Sure they were in talks, but who is to say anyone in Boston took them seriously?

I don't consider it drinking Kool-aid. This is thought out. BC may have gone to the ACC in other sports, but GDF doesn't realize BC even has a hockey team. Odds are 50/50 that he would defer to York on this matter. OTOH, if ND waves greenbacks in his face he might turn a deaf ear to York. Maine and UNH are just along for the ride here and aren't really the power brokers. That leaves BU. They have no football team to muck things up. Who has the power on the BU campus? Jack Parker. No way he abandons the founding members of Hockey East. No BU, BC won't go. Maine and UNH stay put and the whole thing falls apart.

ND is bound for the LTHC anyway, so this is all moot.

 

[aparch]

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Maybe its sentimentality or regional pride, but I think loyalty means more here in New England than in other parts of the country. BC and BU are not going to desert Providence and Northeastern after they took the chance to form a new league in 1983. ...

WCHA founding members 1959:
Colorado College, University of Denver, University of Michigan, Michigan State, Michigan Tech, University of Minnesota, University of North Dakota.

Tell me again who has loyalty to their league?

 

[dggoddard]

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They may have been, and it has already been published that both declined offers, but I would doubt that either was seriously considering the move. First, neither would make the move without the other. Second, I cannot fathom Jack or Jerry liking the move at all. Airplane travel nearly every weekend would probably end up forcing both into early retirement. Not to mention losing games against many traditional rivals. Third, I have difficulty believing either AD would want the astronomical increase in travel costs on their budget to play against a level of competition that's more or less equal to what they already play in HE. BC already spends enough on ACC travel as it is. There may have been some preliminary discussions, but I don't believe this materialized into anything serious.

Six flights a year is not "nearly every weekend" or "astronomical costs" that could likely be offset by additional playoff revenue.

BC took two flights last year to Denver & Notre Dame.

 

[CHFAN222]

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Thats why were now suggesting the new 3rd option for notre dame is to create their own conference with Western and the "Big 4" of Hockey East. It makes more sense for travel. BC and BU can keep playing many of the left behind schools in NC and take 2 flights a year to ND and WMU.

No way are BC and BU going to leave. Seriously what school in HE doesn't have top notch facilities or is at least trying to elevate their program. I mean besides Providence every school in HE has shown a willingness to upgrade their program and make it nationally competitive. Even little Merrimack is showing a serious commitment to its team.

I am going to go out there and say that in most years HE will be on par if not better than the B10 and the Super League. The only thing HE might do is add two more teams as to open up more NC games on the schedule. Beside that though no reason to mess with the league. As far as speculation about BU and BC where serious about leaving I doubt it. Unless you have some inside information or something those two schools really had no reason to leave:

Travel Costs: Would go up alot
Competition: HE will be on par with the other leagues
TV Revenue: This is hockey I really doubt it would increase
Play off revenue: This might go down actually since there would be less visiting fans for series and less visiting fans at conference final site
alumni/fan experience: Yes this matters to the schools since they are the ones who make the donations to the teams. The fans and alumni of teams would much rather have conference games be nearby so that they could actually travel to most of the games if they choose to. The occasional trip out west is fun but they would much prefer being able to drive out to a game thats only a few hours away by car not by plane.

 

[dggoddard]

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Seriously what school in HE doesn't have top notch facilities or is at least trying to elevate their program.

Merrimack
Maine
Northeastern
Vermont
Providence