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The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Part Deux: Electric Boogaloo

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Slap Shot said:
In some cases dunking on someone is not in good taste. ffs
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Counterpoint. I am 100% fine dunking on those who made other women miserable because of their stupidity and hatred. They don't suddenly become sanctified because they need the very procedure they denied others. The broke the social contract and they are outside it now. They no longer get the benefits of my sympathy. They are anathema. Good day, sir!

It is exactly analogous to the COVID victims. These are monsters; the fewer of them, and the less happy those who remain, the better. It will be a better world when they are gone, and if they go alone, suffering, in pain, then boo hoo, it is only what they deserve.
 
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Kepler said:
Counterpoint. I am 100% fine dunking on those who made other women miserable because of their stupidity and hatred. They don't suddenly become sanctified because they need the very procedure they denied others. The broke the social contract and they are outside it now. They no longer get the benefits of my sympathy. They are anathema. Good day, sir!

It is exactly analogous to the COVID victims. These are monsters; the fewer of them, and the less happy those who remain, the better. It will be a better world when they are gone, and if they go alone, suffering, in pain, then boo hoo, it is only what they deserve.
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You know the woman in this story was hell bent on making other women miserable? You're able to discern enough from this story she's monster just because she "wasn't focused" on abortion laws in her state? You're 100% comfortable making that determination?

I hate MAGAs as much as the next guy but ffs I'm a husband and a father, and I wouldn't wish this upon anyone unless I could be 100% sure their offspring are the likely to be evil spawn.
 
“We’ll that’s not going to ever affect me, I’ll never need one.”

again, have some goddamn empathy. Jesus. She only cares because it now affects her.

there’s also ignorance here- like when a certain poster said something about how so few women actually get abortions blah blah blah…completely ignorant of all the involuntary ones!

and doctors and dems warned people before these laws were passed. They just wouldn’t listen.

so maybe women like this need to learn some fucking compassion for things that may not ever happen to them
 
Not sure if this lady gave her political views but the women in Ohio and Texas who’ve cried to the media all admitted they are life long repubkican voters.

oklahoma? I can guess
 
DGF you know I'm 100% on board with you on the issue at large here. I'm just not comfortable immediately condemning this woman as of the moment. If anything this will turn her into an advocate similar to the woman that recently spoke before Congress on the horrors of these abhorrent and inhumane laws putting the lives of women at severe risk. I'd rather hope for a "better and more informed" human than for them to suffer immeasurably and have to forever feel shame.
 
Sure. There’s a difference between saying someone is a monster and not having sympathy.

im just out of sympathy because this doesn’t need to be happening.

I just don’t feel anything for them anymore after the cruelty inflicted on half the population.
 
Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Not sure if this lady gave her political views but the women in Ohio and Texas who’ve cried to the media all admitted they are life long repubkican voters.

oklahoma? I can guess
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She didn’t give her political affiliation, but I believe at the end of the story she described herself as “pro-life.”
 
Slap Shot said:
In some cases dunking on someone is not in good taste. ffs
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Nah. Posterize those as-sholes
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Deutsche Gopher Fan said:
Hey docs- want to guess whether you break state or federal laws???

what a joy

https://apnews.com/article/emergenc...souri-emtala-2f993d2869fa801921d7e56e95787567
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What I have been posting all along. And they wonder why the medical profession is leaving in droves. People are stupid.

Weighing in on the woman who didn't think about abortion until she needed one- It is entirely possible that she truly didn't think about the abortion issue and could be ignorant about all the possible problems these laws could create. Not because she is willfully ignorant but because she has little if any exposure to media that would cover it or to people who have had issues.

When I was first in Practice what was revealed about pregnancy was minimal. Women didn't tell they were pregnant until past 12 weeks, if there was a problem with the pregnancy or a miscarriage women did not share this outside immediate family (sometimes only the husband knew). There were a lot of things that were NEVER discussed outside of my exam room. No one talked about this stuff on TV. There was no social media, sharing of sad or scary stories. This was the norm. Over the time I practiced this gradually changed in the area I lived. The culture is now incredibly open- people talk about EVERYTHING in minute detail. Not everywhere is like this- there are some places where this stuff is still not discussed. Not because they are oppressed but because this is considered private and not something people talk about. For those who live in more open cultures it is inconceivable that women wouldn't talk about it and everyone must be exposed to all sorts of info.

I know I have talked to people who have minimal media available to them and what is presented certainly does not encourage thought about implications. If you don't have enough info then you may not know to have questions.

Have had more than a few exchanges with people who have made comments that show they are completely unaware. When I point out things- like remaining pregnant could put a woman at physical risk medically, at risk from partner violence, at financial risk if they have pregnancy complications that preclude working, they are stunned- they never entertained theses things. It may not change their minds but they are usually shocked. No one has ever talked about the consequences of continuing pregnancy. In the echo chamber they only get as far as the moral outrage of killing the baby.
 
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What I have been posting all along. And they wonder why the medical profession is leaving in droves. People are stupid.

Weighing in on the woman who didn't think about abortion until she needed one- It is entirely possible that she truly didn't think about the abortion issue and could be ignorant about all the possible problems these laws could create. Not because she is willfully ignorant but because she has little if any exposure to media that would cover it or to people who have had issues.

When I was first in Practice what was revealed about pregnancy was minimal. Women didn't tell they were pregnant until past 12 weeks, if there was a problem with the pregnancy or a miscarriage women did not share this outside immediate family (sometimes only the husband knew). There were a lot of things that were NEVER discussed outside of my exam room. No one talked about this stuff on TV. There was no social media, sharing of sad or scary stories. This was the norm. Over the time I practiced this gradually changed in the area I lived. The culture is now incredibly open- people talk about EVERYTHING in minute detail. Not everywhere is like this- there are some places where this stuff is still not discussed. Not because they are oppressed but because this is considered private and not something people talk about. For those who live in more open cultures it is inconceivable that women wouldn't talk about it and everyone must be exposed to all sorts of info.

I know I have talked to people who have minimal media available to them and what is presented certainly does not encourage thought about implications. If you don't have enough info then you may not know to have questions.

Have had more than a few exchanges with people who have made comments that show they are completely unaware. When I point out things- like remaining pregnant could put a woman at physical risk medically, at risk from partner violence, at financial risk if they have pregnancy complications that preclude working, they are stunned- they never entertained theses things. It may not change their minds but they are usually shocked. No one has ever talked about the consequences of continuing pregnancy. In the echo chamber they only get as far as the moral outrage of killing the baby.
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I have worked with compliance and legal folks a bunch over the past few years, and while I normally don't feel bad for them, I truly do in this case.

As DGF pointed out - do we risk violating state law and having my OBs and hospitalists arrested? Or do we violate federal law and risk losing Medicare funding? Obviously, federal law takes priority but with this SCOTUS...

Also, even if federal law wins in the end, do I, as a compliance officer, want my staff at risk of fucking arrest?


How is any of this good for anyone?
 
Swansong said:
I have worked with compliance and legal folks a bunch over the past few years, and while I normally don't feel bad for them, I truly do in this case.

As DGF pointed out - do we risk violating state law and having my OBs and hospitalists arrested? Or do we violate federal law and risk losing Medicare funding? Obviously, federal law takes priority but with this SCOTUS...

Also, even if federal law wins in the end, do I, as a compliance officer, want my staff at risk of ****ing arrest?


How is any of this good for anyone?
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Not good for anyone and I agree with you 100%.
 
It's good for the GQP thumping the tub to rile the rubes.

The real world consequences do not matter, because they only care about themselves, and they will always get exactly the treatment they want, on their terms. What happens to other people is not relevant.
 
Swansong said:
I have worked with compliance and legal folks a bunch over the past few years, and while I normally don't feel bad for them, I truly do in this case.

As DGF pointed out - do we risk violating state law and having my OBs and hospitalists arrested? Or do we violate federal law and risk losing Medicare funding? Obviously, federal law takes priority but with this SCOTUS...

Also, even if federal law wins in the end, do I, as a compliance officer, want my staff at risk of ****ing arrest?


How is any of this good for anyone?
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It isn't, but they have so little ability to consider consequence it is like the fairy stories where the character harms themselves while cheering they have won. People are so addicted to promoting outrage and claiming they are winning they think little of what winning will actually result in. The States that are legislating medicine are seeing Residents avoid them, an inability to fill job openings in all levels. Who in Hell would chance working in one of those States? You could rightfully lose your Board certification, get sued for negligence. We really are watching the dismantling of everything that would qualify us as a civilized developed country. Arts, healthcare, safety, education- all under assault from the wackos.
 
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