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The "I Can't Believe There's No Abortion Thread" Abortion Thread

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Eejit famous for appointing eejits appoints eejit.
 
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unofan said:
By that logic, an acorn is an oak tree and squirrels are the world's greatest monsters.
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And we're all half banana, so part of my breakfast this morning was an unfortunate act of cannibalism.

Kepler said:
Eejit famous for appointing eejits appoints eejit.
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I was wondering the other day what the savings would be if every woman who wanted it was given birth control. Turns out that study has already been done, and it would be around $12 billion. Another study said $21 billion.

Would certain people be willing to pay for birth control for "sluts" if it saved them money in the end?
 
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Bump, because the SCOTUS thread is drifting in this direction.
 
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Turns out everybody still has the same opinion they had before.

It's almost as if this is a purely emotional/ideological issue that has nothing to do with reason and everything to do with biography.
 
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Kepler said:
Turns out everybody still has the same opinion they had before.

It's almost as if this is a purely emotional/ideological issue that has nothing to do with reason and everything to do with biography.
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Sigh.
 
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dave122793 said:
Wait until Kennedy retires/passes away, Trump gets another SC justice, and abortion is outlawed in this country by 2020. That's my prediction.
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It may happen. It will depend on if the GOP really wants to lose it as a fundraising tool for candidates. I'm not sure they do.
 
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dave122793 said:
Wait until Kennedy retires/passes away, Trump gets another SC justice, and abortion is outlawed in this country by 2020. That's my prediction.
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Might get people off their as-ses to vote, though.

(Assuming with voter suppression they're even allowed to by then.)
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
It may happen. It will depend on if the GOP really wants to lose it as a fundraising tool for candidates. I'm not sure they do.
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Truly it has been their gift that keeps on giving.

I have read numerous opinions over the years that the GOP has actually slow walked efforts to ban abortion because it is so lucrative for them.

But from what we know of the GOP, they would never, ever do such a thing. Right?

Right?
 
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Kepler said:
Truly it has been their gift that keeps on giving.

I have read numerous opinions over the years that the GOP has actually slow walked efforts to ban abortion because it is so lucrative for them.

But from what we know of the GOP, they would never, ever do such a thing. Right?

Right?
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I think the only thing they care about is money. The new Health Care bill proves that. They extend wars for profit. They destroy the environment for profit. And, I think they like abortions for profit. Just keep that spigot wide open and flowing.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
I think the only thing they care about is money. The new Health Care bill proves that. They extend wars for profit. They destroy the environment for profit. And, I think they like abortions for profit. Just keep that spigot wide open and flowing.
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It's entirely possible the actual Republican leadership is just like Putin's junta: a gang of oligarchs who saw the real money is in government, so they captured the government. Putin used Chechnya, the GOP used 9/11. If you think of the Republicans not as the Nazis or Stalin or other Totalitarian models, but as Putin or as an African dictator -- a straightforward kleptocracy -- they make perfect sense.

Most criticism of the right recognizes that the fiscalcons used the theocons and the white nationalists to gain power to enact their ideological agenda (which, usefully, economically crippled the theocons and the white nationalists, thus making them even angrier and easier to control). And the fiscalcons certainly do have an agenda.

We've always assumed the fiscalcons were just serving the 1% in order to get the bribery money they need to campaign and rule effectively. But what if it's the other way around? What if the 1% is just using the fiscalcons? Where did the wave of libertarian intellectuals (and non-intellectuals on radio) actually come from, anyway? The Kochs and others have been pounding these ideas into gullible heads for a quarter century.

This would explain, for one thing, why spending and debt continue to skyrocket even when the government is 100% under the ostensible control of the fiscalcons. And why when the Great Crisis of 2006 broke, the GOP worked to undermine all attempts to break the power of the elitists financial entities who caused the problem and who, theoretically, EVERY member of the conservative coalition regarded as a mortal enemy.

Maybe we've been wrong, and it hasn't been Norquist using Koch's money to brainwash the Tea Partiers. Maybe it's always been the Kochs riding Norquist's ideology to get Useful Idiot ideologically conservative Republicans to enact their agenda. Maybe the fiscalcons have been just as much the unwitting captives as the theocons and the white nationalists. Their interests have certainly suffered just as much.
 
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Kepler said:
It's entirely possible the actual Republican leadership is just like Putin's junta: a gang of oligarchs who saw the real money is in government, so they captured the government. Putin used Chechnya, the GOP used 9/11. If you think of the Republicans not as the Nazis or Stalin or other Totalitarian models, but as Putin or as an African dictator -- a straightforward kleptocracy -- they make perfect sense.

Most criticism of the right recognizes that the fiscalcons used the theocons and the white nationalists to gain power to enact their ideological agenda (which, usefully, economically crippled the theocons and the white nationalists, thus making them even angrier and easier to control). And the fiscalcons certainly do have an agenda.

We've always assumed the fiscalcons were just serving the 1% in order to get the bribery money they need to campaign and rule effectively. But what if it's the other way around? What if the 1% is just using the fiscalcons? Where did the wave of libertarian intellectuals (and non-intellectuals on radio) actually come from, anyway? The Kochs and others have been pounding these ideas into gullible heads for a quarter century.

This would explain, for one thing, why spending and debt continue to skyrocket even when the government is 100% under the ostensible control of the fiscalcons. And why when the Great Crisis of 2006 broke, the GOP worked to undermine all attempts to break the power of the elitists financial entities who caused the problem and who, theoretically, EVERY member of the conservative coalition regarded as a mortal enemy.

Maybe we've been wrong, and it hasn't been Norquist using Koch's money to brainwash the Tea Partiers. Maybe it's always been the Kochs riding Norquist's ideology to get Useful Idiot ideologically conservative Republicans to enact their agenda. Maybe the fiscalcons have been just as much the unwitting captives as the theocons and the white nationalists. Their interests have certainly suffered just as much.
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Whoever they are they have two advocates (Turtle Boy and Ryan) who are all in on their agenda and have lots of power. And they have a dupe at the top. It's a perfect storm.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Whoever they are they have two advocates (Turtle Boy and Ryan) who are all in on their agenda and have lots of power. And they have a dupe at the top. It's a perfect storm.
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Trump is Il Dupe II. C+ Augustus was no wiser than Trump about the workings of government or economics.

Ryan is obviously a Useful Idiot. He really believes all that Randian rubbish that any perspicacious child is enamored of at 14 and has discarded completely at 24.

McConnell I am starting to believe is a real life Frank Underwood. We badly underestimated him. We thought he was another Boehner but no, he's a survivor and he fights with shivs and salt in the eyes. The question is: to what end?
 
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ShirtlessBob said:
Texas defunded Planned Parenthood, and teen abortions surged.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ood-teen-abortion_us_59653229e4b09b587d63018a
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To me it would be obvious that would happen, but nobody ever accused Rick Perry as being the sharpest knife in the drawer.

It's always amazing to me that, for the most part, the anti-choice groups are also the ones against sex education, increasing awareness and access to birth control etc. For the most part I think they really don't care about the fetus so much as the just want to control women's lives.
 
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