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The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

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burd said:
Think happy thoughts.
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If I am surprised, I will be quite happy! I think UND will come very close, and will be set up for a potential pass next season. We'll find out soon. :)
 
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SJHovey said:
A couple of years ago I think FS23 said that Union's 45 points earned in their championship season was the highest single season total to date. In addition to the national championship, Union also won the ECAC regular season title and the playoff title that year.

Providence did neither of those in their championship run. UND won the Penrose last year, but busted out of the NCHC tournament. It seems obvious that UND's total will be somewhere between 30 and 45, my personal guess is about 40. I don't think that will be enough to surpass Michigan, but it will be close. After all, DU earned only about 5 points last year and they made the Frozen Four.
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FWIW, Point Gains of National Champions since 2010-2011 (when I finished the formula and began posting the results here):
2010-2011: Minnesota Duluth - 38.8561
2011-2012: Boston College - 38.8819
2012-2013: Yale - 38.9796
2013-2014: Union - 45.6630
2014-2015: Providence - 30.2188
2015-2016: North Dakota - ???????

As for DU only earning 5 points with a Frozen Four run, that is a bit low, but not the lowest. Nebraska Omaha earned around 5 points last season for their Frozen Four run, North Dakota only earned about 3 points in 2013-2014, and Notre Dame earned around 3.5 points in 2010-2011. On average, a Frozen Four run will earn a program around 8 points or so.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
FWIW, Point Gains of National Champions since 2010-2011 (when I finished the formula and began posting the results here):
2010-2011: Minnesota Duluth - 38.8561
2011-2012: Boston College - 38.8819
2012-2013: Yale - 38.9796
2013-2014: Union - 45.6630
2014-2015: Providence - 30.2188
2015-2016: North Dakota - ???????

As for DU only earning 5 points with a Frozen Four run, that is a bit low, but not the lowest. Nebraska Omaha earned around 5 points last season for their Frozen Four run, North Dakota only earned about 3 points in 2013-2014, and Notre Dame earned around 3.5 points in 2010-2011. On average, a Frozen Four run will earn a program around 8 points or so.
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Unless you have #5 ready, I have it ready to post.
 
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#5 – BOSTON UNIVERSITY TERRIERS

Points: 373.29926 Points
Points earned in 2015-2016 0.7149 Points
Points earned in past five seasons: 27.82506 Points
Last Season Ranking: #4

In spite of a 21 win season, the Terriers fell one spot in these rankings. Not winning any hardware and a first game exit from the national tournament did not help the point total, although they played 21 games against teams that made the tournament. BU will go into this season as a favorite to get to the Frozen Four with a very strong incoming class and four 1st round NHL picks.
 
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SJHovey said:
A couple of years ago I think FS23 said that Union's 45 points earned in their championship season was the highest single season total to date. In addition to the national championship, Union also won the ECAC regular season title and the playoff title that year.

Providence did neither of those in their championship run. UND won the Penrose last year, but busted out of the NCHC tournament. It seems obvious that UND's total will be somewhere between 30 and 45, my personal guess is about 40. I don't think that will be enough to surpass Michigan, but it will be close. After all, DU earned only about 5 points last year and they made the Frozen Four.
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A Frozen Four run is obviously good, but in the end DU didn't get any hardware last year. 4th in the NCHC regular season and 3rd in the conference tournament. Michigan won the BIG conference tournament last year but didn't make it to the Frozen Four. We'll get some insight into the value of conference tournament hardware versus a deeper NCAA run in FS23's formula when the UND and Michigan totals come out.
 
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SjHockey said:
At one point didn't FS say Hobey Baker stuff played into the points? Michigan had 3 top 10 finalists last year.
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I suppose any points from having 3 finalists like UMich had last year would be offset by a deduction for how pathetic the school, team, coaches and fans must be not to win a banner with 3 finalists.

Just guessing that's true.
 
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#4 – BOSTON COLLEGE EAGLES

Points: 379.89398 Points
Points earned in 2015-2016 10.3547 Points
Points earned in past five seasons: 69.60428 Points
Last Season Ranking: #5

The Eagles made their 25th appearance in the Frozen Four last season, the most in college hockey history, losing in the semis. The off-season has been an interesting one for BC. They lost seven players to the pros with college eligibility remaining, and will start the season with thirteen freshmen.
 
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BC is 4th all time but unquestionably the class of the modern era.
 
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ecbrevik said:
fyp ;)
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Yeah, that's more accurate. I guess I was couching that comment in terms most of these youngsters here can identify with.

Personally, I tend to include watching Alan Hanglsleben as a "modern era" event, but that is certainly not shared by many. Technically, modern era would probably not include the Hrkac Circus, since that level of scoring will not occur again. Probably not Greg Johnson's time either, around 1990. But that general time period has to be pretty close to an arbitrary but fair dividing line. Meaningless distinction, I guess, ec, but your point is valid.
 
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Siouxfaninseattle said:
#4 – BOSTON COLLEGE EAGLES

Points: 379.89398 Points
Points earned in 2015-2016 10.3547 Points
Points earned in past five seasons: 69.60428 Points
Last Season Ranking: #5

The Eagles made their 25th appearance in the Frozen Four last season, the most in college hockey history, losing in the semis. The off-season has been an interesting one for BC. They lost seven players to the pros with college eligibility remaining, and will start the season with thirteen freshmen.
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I can see 4 and 5 swapping places this time next year or maybe sooner if the thread moves faster next year ;)
 
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#3 – MINNESOTA GOLDEN GOPHERS

Points: 440.34813 Points
Points earned in 2015-2016: 2.447 Points
Points earned in past five seasons: 36.99103 Points
Last Season Ranking: #3

The Gophers won their fifth consecutive regular season league championship this past season, and their seventh such title under head coach Don Lucia, but failed to make the NCAA Tournament for the first time since 2010-2011. While Minnesota lost Hudson Fasching to the NHL, the Gophers return six of their top seven scorers from a season ago, and goalie Eric Schierhorn looks to improve upon a solid Freshman campaign. Minnesota should continue to be a force in the B1G and will likely return to the NCAA Tournament in 2016-2017, but the Gophers will need to start winning national titles if they want to move up in these rankings.
 
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May as well do #1 and #2 at the same time? Just Wolverine and Sioux left, right?
 
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Blackheart said:
May as well do #1 and #2 at the same time? Just Wolverine and Sioux left, right?
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Correct, and #1 and #2 will be announced at the same time...likely tomorrow.

A teaser:
The difference between #1 and #2 is less than 2 points. In all likelihood, whichever program has the better season in 2016-2017 will be #1 at this time next year.
 
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#1 – NORTH DAKOTA FIGHTING HAWKS

Points: 506.80162 Points
Points earned in 2015-2016: 45.7870 Points
Points earned in past five seasons: 70.64102 Points
Last Season Ranking: #2

North Dakota put together one of the great seasons in college hockey history in 2015-2016, finishing the campaign with an impressive NCAA Tournament run knocking off two of the best programs in Michigan and Denver en route to the program's eighth national championship. UND lost a lot to graduation/early departure, as 2/3s of its vaunted "CBS Line" and blue line are gone. Of course, North Dakota returns top netminder Cam Johnson, and Hobey Baker candidate Brock Boeser along with a stellar incoming class, and the Fighting Hawks should put themselves into position to make another run at a national title. They will need to if they want to put any distance between themselves and Michigan for the #1 spot.


#2 – MICHIGAN WOLVERINES

Points: 505.14106 Points
Points earned in 2015-2016: 8.9868 Points
Points earned in past five seasons: 13.74876 Points
Last Season Ranking: #1

After maintaining the #1 ranking in every rendition of this list since its inception, the Wolverines have slipped to #2 after a strong 2015-2016 campaign where the program won the B1G tournament championship, and advanced to the Regional Finals before falling to the eventual national champions. Michigan lost most of its firepower from a season ago, including all three Hobey Baker finalists. However, the U of M will return Alex Kile and bring in five from the National Team Development Program to highlight an impressive Freshman class, which should help the Wolverines reload for 2016-2017 and try and reclaim the #1 spot.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
After maintaining the #1 ranking in every rendition of this list since its inception, the Wolverines have slipped to #2 after a strong 2015-2016 campaign where the program won the B1G tournament championship, and advanced to the Regional Finals before falling to the eventual national champions. Michigan lost most of its firepower from a season ago, including all three Hobey Baker finalists. However, the U of M will return Alex Kile and bring in five from the National Team Development Program to highlight an impressive Freshman class, which should help the Wolverines reload for 2016-2017 and try and reclaim the #1 spot.
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Considering that Michigan won the first championship and made the tourney every year through 1957 with several other championships, I would think that have been ranked #1 since the tourney started in 1948, long before you started to post.
 
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