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The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

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Ralph Baer said:
Considering that Michigan won the first championship and made the tourney every year through 1957 with several other championships, I would think that have been ranked #1 since the tourney started in 1948, long before you started to post.
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I would guess Michigan had been #1 since at least 1953. Minnesota was #1 before the NCAA Tournament started, and I'm not sure when exactly Michigan would have taken over. Probably not by 1948, but perhaps as early as 1951 and at least by 1953.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I would guess Michigan had been #1 since at least 1953. Minnesota was #1 before the NCAA Tournament started, and I'm not sure when exactly Michigan would have taken over. Probably not by 1948, but perhaps as early as 1951 and at least by 1953.
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I didn't realize that you included data from before 1948.
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
#1 – NORTH DAKOTA FIGHTING HAWKS

Points: 506.80162 Points
Points earned in 2015-2016: 45.7870 Points
Points earned in past five seasons: 70.64102 Points
Last Season Ranking: #2

North Dakota put together one of the great seasons in college hockey history in 2015-2016, finishing the campaign with an impressive NCAA Tournament run knocking off two of the best programs in Michigan and Denver en route to the program's eighth national championship. UND lost a lot to graduation/early departure, as 2/3s of its vaunted "CBS Line" and blue line are gone. Of course, North Dakota returns top netminder Cam Johnson, and Hobey Baker candidate Brock Boeser along with a stellar incoming class, and the Fighting Hawks should put themselves into position to make another run at a national title. They will need to if they want to put any distance between themselves and Michigan for the #1 spot.


#2 – MICHIGAN WOLVERINES

Points: 505.14106 Points
Points earned in 2015-2016: 8.9868 Points
Points earned in past five seasons: 13.74876 Points
Last Season Ranking: #1

After maintaining the #1 ranking in every rendition of this list since its inception, the Wolverines have slipped to #2 after a strong 2015-2016 campaign where the program won the B1G tournament championship, and advanced to the Regional Finals before falling to the eventual national champions. Michigan lost most of its firepower from a season ago, including all three Hobey Baker finalists. However, the U of M will return Alex Kile and bring in five from the National Team Development Program to highlight an impressive Freshman class, which should help the Wolverines reload for 2016-2017 and try and reclaim the #1 spot.
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Wow! I'm surprised (but very pleasantly). I especially would have bet against UND catching Michigan this year had I known Michigan was going to score nearly 9 points themselves, as I had guessed UND would score less than 40 points given their rather unimpressive performance in the NCHC Final Four. Despite that, UND put up the most points in a single season so far in FS23's formula. I'm rather impressed with the ground UND closed on Michigan over the last 5 years!
 
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Thanks again to FS and SF for all the work that goes into this. I can't imagine having the patience to do that.

You are, of course, also responsible for turning a whole bunch of ordinarily kind, humble Nodaks into arrogant pryks. I don't know how anybody is going to be able to live with me until the F'hawks get swept at home.
 
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ecbrevik said:
Wow! I'm surprised (but very pleasantly). I especially would have bet against UND catching Michigan this year had I known Michigan was going to score nearly 9 points themselves, as I had guessed UND would score less than 40 points given their rather unimpressive performance in the NCHC Final Four. Despite that, UND put up the most points in a single season so far in FS23's formula. I'm rather impressed with the ground UND closed on Michigan over the last 5 years!
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North Dakota's 2015-2016 season ranked #14 all-time in my best teams of the NCAA era list. Union's 2013-2014 campaign ranked #45, so I wasn't too surprised that UND put up more points this season than Union in 2013-2014. North Dakota only lost 6 games all season and had a pretty dominating performance in the NCAA Tournament.

Of course, had Michigan's Kyle Connor won the Hobey Baker, Michigan would have stayed atop the rankings by less than a tenth of a point.

That being said, here is the outlook for 2017:

#1 - North Dakota and Michigan are extremely close. Whoever has the better season in 2016-2017 will likely be #1.

#3 - Minnesota can't catch North Dakota or Michigan, and BC can't catch Minnesota, so the Gophers will stay at #3.

#4 - The race for #4 is BC's to lose. BU, DU, and Wisconsin can all theoretically overtake BC with a national title. DU would likely need to at least make the national title game to have a shot at #4, and BU could overtake the Eagles with just a Regional Final and otherwise strong regular season (see Michigan this season).

#7 - Wisconsin is almost certain to stay at #7, absent a national title (see #4 above). They can't be caught by...

#8 - Michigan State will stay #8 for the foreseeable future. They are probably 2-3 national title runs behind Wisconsin, but are probably 2 national title runs ahead of anyone from #9 and below.

#9 - Maine is the favorite to stay at #9, but could be surpassed by Michigan Tech (with a Frozen Four run or better); Cornell (with a National Title Game appearance or title); Lake Superior State (with a National Title Game appearance or title); Colorado College (with a National Title); Harvard (with a strong National Title season); and Clarkson (with a great National Title season). This also represents the list of teams with realistic Top 10 chances.

Top 15 - The Top 15 will be difficult to crack, but the following schools could do it: Minnesota Duluth (National Title Game appearance/title); RPI (National Title); and New Hampshire (strong National Title season).

Top 20 - Bowling Green is barely hanging onto the #20 spot, and could be caught by any of the following: Northern Michigan (likely just needs a better season than BGSU); Yale (Strong Regional Final run or better); St. Lawrence (National Title Game appearance/title); Union (National Title); Miami (National Title); Quinnipiac (National Title); Notre Dame (Strong National Title season); Dartmouth (Strong National Title season); and Ferris State (great National Title season).

At this point pretty much any program can jump into the top 30 with a national title run. Obviously, the bottom half of the rankings are pretty fluid, and a strong season can shakeup those rankings quite a bit.
 
burd said:
Thanks again to FS and SF for all the work that goes into this. I can't imagine having the patience to do that.

You are, of course, also responsible for turning a whole bunch of ordinarily kind, humble Nodaks into arrogant pryks. I don't know how anybody is going to be able to live with me until the F'hawks get swept at home.
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It's all fun, but I want that 9th to tie Michigan.
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

Fighting Sioux 23 said:
#1 – NORTH DAKOTA FIGHTING HAWKS

Points: 506.80162 Points
Points earned in 2015-2016: 45.7870 Points
Points earned in past five seasons: 70.64102 Points
Last Season Ranking: #2

North Dakota put together one of the great seasons in college hockey history in 2015-2016, finishing the campaign with an impressive NCAA Tournament run knocking off two of the best programs in Michigan and Denver en route to the program's eighth national championship. UND lost a lot to graduation/early departure, as 2/3s of its vaunted "CBS Line" and blue line are gone. Of course, North Dakota returns top netminder Cam Johnson, and Hobey Baker candidate Brock Boeser along with a stellar incoming class, and the Fighting Hawks should put themselves into position to make another run at a national title. They will need to if they want to put any distance between themselves and Michigan for the #1 spot.


#2 – MICHIGAN WOLVERINES

Points: 505.14106 Points
Points earned in 2015-2016: 8.9868 Points
Points earned in past five seasons: 13.74876 Points
Last Season Ranking: #1

After maintaining the #1 ranking in every rendition of this list since its inception, the Wolverines have slipped to #2 after a strong 2015-2016 campaign where the program won the B1G tournament championship, and advanced to the Regional Finals before falling to the eventual national champions. Michigan lost most of its firepower from a season ago, including all three Hobey Baker finalists. However, the U of M will return Alex Kile and bring in five from the National Team Development Program to highlight an impressive Freshman class, which should help the Wolverines reload for 2016-2017 and try and reclaim the #1 spot.
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Whah.......... we knew that it was likely over but now it's official. Hopefully we can put together a good season with all of the kids we have coming in. Michigan basically has to reload every year so this won't seem extra difficult. Let's just hope who we are bringing in is as good as advertised. And of course the goalie situation...
 
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UMICH said:
Whah.......... we knew that it was likely over but now it's official. Hopefully we can put together a good season with all of the kids we have coming in. Michigan basically has to reload every year so this won't seem extra difficult. Let's just hope who we are bringing in is as good as advertised. And of course the goalie situation...
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Also, they are in the little six, so someone has to win the conference.
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

Well, it is that time of year again, and I wanted to give a quick preview on how the NCAA Tournament may impact these rankings before the NCAA Tournament officially starts.

In order of Pairwise Ranking:

#1 - Denver

Denver finished 6th in these rankings after last season, but the Pios have had a great season thus far. They won't be caught by Wisconsin for 6th position, and with a National Championship will almost certainly surpass both BC and BU for 4th place. DU won't be able to catch Minnesota for 3rd, but given their strong season this year, the Pioneers will be within another national title of surpassing the Gophers.

#2 - Minnesota Duluth

Duluth finished 16th in these rankings after last season, and is unlikely to be caught by anyone, with the possible exception of Providence. With a Frozen Four run, the Bulldogs will be within barking distance of Clarkson, and a trip to the National Title game likely will result in at least a 15th finish. If UMD wins the national title, they could jump as high as 11th, depending on what Cornell and Harvard do in the NCAA Tournament.

#3 - Harvard

Speaking of the Crimson, Harvard finished 14th in these rankings last season, and have put together a solid 2016-2017 campaign with both ECAC titles in hand. With a National Title, Harvard is a threat to crack the Top 10. A Frozen Four run and/or National Title game appearance is likely necessary to jump CC and perhaps LSSU.

#4 - Minnesota

The Gophers finished 3rd after last season's rankings, and they are in rankings purgatory as they cannot move up or down. With a National Title, Minnesota will find themselves just outside the Top 2 discussion. It would likely take a national title for either BU or DU for those schools to come close to Goldy.

#5 - Massachusetts Lowell

The Riverhawks finished 34th after last season, so they can make a big leap in these rankings depending on how far they can go. Moving up one spot is highly likely, and with a Frozen Four run, UML could crack the top 30. A National Title likely puts Lowell somewhere in the top 25.

#6 - Western Michigan

WMU finished 41st after last season. If the Broncos can finally get that elusive NCAA Tournament victory, they will likely push the top 40. A Frozen Four trip likely moves Western somewhere in the high-30s. A national title game appearance will likely boost the Broncos into the mid-30s, and a national championship could rocked them to the cusp of the Top 25.

#7 - Boston University

BU finished 5th after last season, and, like Denver, can finish no worse than 6th. A Frozen Four run would likely move the Terriers past arch-rival BC, and a National Title would guarantee a 4th finish.

#8 - Union

The Dutchmen finished 24th after last season, one of the biggest movers over the last five years. Union can move up a spot or two with a Frozen Four run, and would likely crack the Top 20 with a National Title. Barring a national title run from a team below them, it is unlikely that the Dutchmen will drop below the 24th spot, although they will always be #26 in our hearts.

#9 - Penn State

Penn State finished 56th after last season. Pedophile State University will almost certainly see a jump in the rankings based solely on their run this season. The Nittany Lions would push the Top 40 with a Frozen Four run, and could creep up to the top half of the rankings with a National Championship.

#10 - North Dakota

The Sioux finished 1st after last season, and will almost certainly remain on top after this season. North Dakota can pad its lead, and would likely put the top spot out of reach next season with a National Championship this season.

#11 - Cornell

Cornell finished 11th after last season. The Big Red can crack the top 10 with a Frozen Four run and a first round loss by Tech. Cornell can move past Maine as well with a National Title game appearance, but that will be as far as they can move this season. They are also at risk of being caught from behind if Harvard or Duluth make strong runs.

#12 - Air Force

The Falcons finished 44th after last season. Air Force has a chance to move up even with a first round loss, and could jump into the top 40 with a win or two in the Regionals. A Frozen Four birth likely would place the Academy somewhere in the mid- to upper-30, and a National Title would vault the Falcons into the top half of the rankings.

#13 - Notre Dame

The Irish came in at 27th after last season. With a Frozen Four birth, Notre Dame likely will crack the top 25, and could find itself on the edge of the top 20 with a national title.

#14 - Providence

The Friars finished last season 19th, and are looking for another miracle run ala 2015. PC can supplant New Hampshire for 18th with a Frozen Four birth, and would push Duluth for the 16th position with a National Title.

#15 - Ohio State

After last season, the Buckeyes came in at #35. OSU can move up a few spots with a regional final appearance, but it would likely take a National Title Game appearance to crack the top 30. A National Championship would put the Buckeyes within shouting distance of Union at #24.

#16 - Michigan Tech

The Huskies finished last season at #10. Tech could move up to #9 with a Frozen Four run, but is in danger of being caught by Cornell and Harvard if the Huskies slip up against Denver.
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

UMICH said:
Whah.......... we knew that it was likely over but now it's official. Hopefully we can put together a good season with all of the kids we have coming in. Michigan basically has to reload every year so this won't seem extra difficult. Let's just hope who we are bringing in is as good as advertised. And of course the goalie situation...
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Well, it was. That was evident by our worst season since the early 80's? Wow that was ugly...
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

I was just glancing at the numbers to see what effect certain teams winning the national championship this weekend would have on the rest of the field. One interesting possibility is that a Notre Dame national championship could leap Michigan over North Dakota for the #1 spot. Something to keep an eye out for if Notre Dame wins it all on Saturday.

The race for #4 is going to be extremely tight as well. If DU wins a game this weekend, they will almost certainly take over the #4 spot. If not, DU likely gains ground on BC/BU, but will be just shy. BC and BU are going to be very, very close.

A national title will put Harvard and Michigan Tech in a dead heat for the #10 spot, and it looks like Minnesota Duluth can jump as high as about 11th-12th if they hoist their second national championship.

Notre Dame likely maxes out at 22nd, but could sneak in the top 20 if the results play out just right. Either way, they will be right on the cusp of the top 20 if they win their first national title.

Good luck to Denver, Harvard, Minnesota Duluth, and Notre Dame today and, for those that advance, Saturday. I will be crunching the numbers as early as Saturday evening and hope to complete the post 2016-2017 rankings by Easter. I will post here when I'm done, and will likely ask for some help again in posting the results to this thread.
 
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Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

Fighting Sioux 23 said:
I was just glancing at the numbers to see what effect certain teams winning the national championship this weekend would have on the rest of the field. One interesting possibility is that a Notre Dame national championship could leap Michigan over North Dakota for the #1 spot. Something to keep an eye out for if Notre Dame wins it all on Saturday.

The race for #4 is going to be extremely tight as well. If DU wins a game this weekend, they will almost certainly take over the #4 spot. If not, DU likely gains ground on BC/BU, but will be just shy. BC and BU are going to be very, very close.

A national title will put Harvard and Michigan Tech in a dead heat for the #10 spot, and it looks like Minnesota Duluth can jump as high as about 11th-12th if they hoist their second national championship.

Notre Dame likely maxes out at 22nd, but could sneak in the top 20 if the results play out just right. Either way, they will be right on the cusp of the top 20 if they win their first national title.

Good luck to Denver, Harvard, Minnesota Duluth, and Notre Dame today and, for those that advance, Saturday. I will be crunching the numbers as early as Saturday evening and hope to complete the post 2016-2017 rankings by Easter. I will post here when I'm done, and will likely ask for some help again in posting the results to this thread.
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Uggggghhhhhh....but I can't root for Notre Dame.
 
Re: The Greatest Programs of All-Time: #1-#59

Side note it should be Greatest programs of all time #1- #60

Other side note, is it really not up yet? :)
 
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