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The GQP Thread: Cause the other one is broken.

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Also, have either of them actually filed the paperwork to run in 2024, or are they just pocketing the donations now so they don't have to report them to the FEC?
 
Hannity had Trump on...they are anyway fine with Ronny cause they know he is a nothing on the national stage.
 
DeSantis' best move is the one he's already doing: ignore Trump. That's gonna do more to Trump's ego than any retort.
 
Dump will be one of the most important case studies in political science history. It's vital to document everything now. We will be studying this for decades, likely centuries, adding to our concepts and processes and eventually institutions for strengthening democracy.

Augustus and Bonaparte were before any methodical and objective study of political science. I'll count Weber as the first sophisticated political scientist. He died, relatively young, in 1920, so Mussolini and Hitler rose just after the dawn of it. All of Dump has happened in front of the world, fully recorded and discussed if not understood.
 
Dump will be one of the most important case studies in political science history. It's vital to document everything now. We will be studying this for decades, likely centuries, adding to our concepts and processes and eventually institutions for strengthening democracy.

Augustus and Bonaparte were before any methodical and objective study of political science. I'll count Weber as the first sophisticated political scientist. He died, relatively young, in 1920, so Mussolini and Hitler rose just after the dawn of it. All of Dump has happened in front of the world, fully recorded and discussed if not understood.

Boy, would Dump get a woodie reading that.
 
DeSantis' best move is the one he's already doing: ignore Trump. That's gonna do more to Trump's ego than any retort.

Who cares about his ego, if Ronny doesn't prove to the droolers he can fight back he is dead before he starts. They all tried ignoring him at first in 2016 and he walked all over them.

This is not the general, it is the Republican Nomination. They want a Trump like character. If he isn't willing to get dirty, and do it well, he will be another Jeb Bush. Hell he basically already is which is why Faux just let Trump crap all over him with no pushback. They saw their attempts to prop up Ronny were worthless to their viewers.

Ronnie screwed up twice. First he should have waited to run. Second, once he decided to run he should have been playing along with the media's attempt to paint him as a more moderate version of Trump. Every media outlet was setting him up as the "sensible" GOP candidate and he ran away from it on Day 1. Maybe he thought it would make him look like a sellout. That forced him into an insult war. Instead he plays up his Trump like credentials and destroys the narrative. Now Trump is basically laughing at him in public and Ronny looks like the fat kid in gym class who needs his inhaler playing kickball. Ignoring the bully only works in the movies and in sitcoms.

Ronny lost the second he couldn't respond. Trump's ego may be going nuts, but so are his donations and his support.
 
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I do not understand why anyone cannot go toe to toe with that fat fuck. But, whatever, he continues to dismantle that party and that party needs to DIE.
 
I do not understand why anyone cannot go toe to toe with that fat ****. But, whatever, he continues to dismantle that party and that party needs to DIE.

Most politicians don’t understand how to swing as low as TFG instinctually does. Most people running for POTUS have matured at least a bit beyond middle school/Jr. High by that point.
 
I do not understand why anyone cannot go toe to toe with that fat ****.

There are many reasons. He's got charisma, a cult of personality, and the ability to leverage the media to broadcast insults and insinuations that stick even when they're totally made-up BS. All of that allows him to project a phony sense of strength and leadership to rubes and phobes who feed themselves a steady diet of RWNJ media disinfo and big gov't conspiracies. Trump and most Republicans are anti-intellectual, so you can't try to play professor with them in debates, or "gotcha" them with facts. The "alternative facts" that come from their gut feelings are unbiased and superior to those touted by us MSM-loving NPC sheeple.
 
Who cares about his ego, if Ronny doesn't prove to the droolers he can fight back he is dead before he starts. They all tried ignoring him at first in 2016 and he walked all over them.

This is not the general, it is the Republican Nomination. They want a Trump like character. If he isn't willing to get dirty, and do it well, he will be another Jeb Bush. Hell he basically already is which is why Faux just let Trump crap all over him with no pushback. They saw their attempts to prop up Ronny were worthless to their viewers.

Ronnie screwed up twice. First he should have waited to run. Second, once he decided to run he should have been playing along with the media's attempt to paint him as a more moderate version of Trump. Every media outlet was setting him up as the "sensible" GOP candidate and he ran away from it on Day 1. Maybe he thought it would make him look like a sellout. That forced him into an insult war. Instead he plays up his Trump like credentials and destroys the narrative. Now Trump is basically laughing at him in public and Ronny looks like the fat kid in gym class who needs his inhaler playing kickball. Ignoring the bully only works in the movies and in sitcoms.

Ronny lost the second he couldn't respond. Trump's ego may be going nuts, but so are his donations and his support.

I agree with this. He's trying to be the "Trump candidate that isn't the drooling simpleton you all know", but this isn't a normal party anymore: it's a cult. Trump has ~35% absolutely baked in that absolutely won't vote for anyone else (and may not even vote for another GQP nominee in the General). With the party's winner-take-all primary process, that's all he needs to win a plurality and take the nomination.

Meatball Ron seems to be trying to chip away at that base, which is a loser. The only way to beat Trump in this process is to chase away literally anyone else right away nd be the non-Trump candidate. To do that he needs to declare now and campaign actively against Trump... which he has shown no indication that he'll do.
 
Who cares about his ego, if Ronny doesn't prove to the droolers he can fight back he is dead before he starts. They all tried ignoring him at first in 2016 and he walked all over them.

This is not the general, it is the Republican Nomination. They want a Trump like character. If he isn't willing to get dirty, and do it well, he will be another Jeb Bush. Hell he basically already is which is why Faux just let Trump crap all over him with no pushback. They saw their attempts to prop up Ronny were worthless to their viewers.

Ronnie screwed up twice. First he should have waited to run. Second, once he decided to run he should have been playing along with the media's attempt to paint him as a more moderate version of Trump. Every media outlet was setting him up as the "sensible" GOP candidate and he ran away from it on Day 1. Maybe he thought it would make him look like a sellout. That forced him into an insult war. Instead he plays up his Trump like credentials and destroys the narrative. Now Trump is basically laughing at him in public and Ronny looks like the fat kid in gym class who needs his inhaler playing kickball. Ignoring the bully only works in the movies and in sitcoms.

Ronny lost the second he couldn't respond. Trump's ego may be going nuts, but so are his donations and his support.

Ronny lost the second he decided the smart course was to out-Trump Trump.

Why would Donnie's cult want a Trump clone when they can have the real thing? For some reason, the Trump cult look at him and see charm and a certain charisma. Nobody ever accused Deathsantis of having either.
 
Ronny lost the second he decided the smart course was to out-Trump Trump.

Why would Donnie's cult want a Trump clone when they can have the real thing? For some reason, the Trump cult look at him and see charm and a certain charisma. Nobody ever accused Deathsantis of having either.

Agreed, which is why he should have chosen not to run. He is tanking any national future he has fighting a losing battle.

I mean think about it...Trump is painting Ron DeSantis as the "Pro Vaccine" candidate while also mocking the Flo(R)ida COVID death numbers. If Ron was half the politician the media pretends he is (and some on the Left who seem to think he is a formidable candidate) he would have a field day with this. Instead he is sitting there in his dunce cap and hip waders wondering why no one is coming to his party. He is a fat, pathetic loser and he was often shielded from that by being the leader of a state filled with fat pathetic losers but now that he is trying to play with the big boys is being embarrassed. And I am here for all of it!
 
First he should have waited to run. Second, once he decided to run he should have been playing along with the media's attempt to paint him as a more moderate version of Trump. Every media outlet was setting him up as the "sensible" GOP candidate and he ran away from it on Day 1.

Yes. I guess he's not as smart as everybody was portraying him as, because this was the obvious play and he blew his first (only?) major political decision.

You can't force good timing but you can sidestep bad timing, when it's obvious from the first moment.

There is a non-zero possibility that these lunatics live in such a different Weltanschauung that those observations don't show up on their radar. We grew up with Republicans who talked nonsense but were carefully calibrating it to enrage and milk the derps, all the while knowing the real facts and planning their heists accordingly. But we are in a post-fact fascist world now where truth literally is what the leader says it is. That was one of the salient points of Arendt's tome. The line between the cynical sociopaths raking it in and the slobbering dou-chnozzles taking it in the as-s for them began to erode with Palin, but it is now gone and rather those are two Venn circles whose intersection approaches 100% every year.
 
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“It’s funny how sometimes the people you’d take a bullet for are the ones behind the trigger.”

This is the perfect summary of the Republican base since 1980.

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