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The Global War on Terror - Chapter 5 -- Putin on the Blitz!

Re: The Global War on Terror - Chapter 5 -- Putin on the Blitz!

Which "knuckldragger" had this analysis of Neville's "leadership" on Syria?

"When the president of the United States draws a red line, the credibility of this country is dependent on him backing up his word. Once the president came to that conclusion, then he should have directed limited action, going after Assad, to make very clear to the world that when we draw a line and we give our word, then we back it up."

Give up? Leon Panetta, Neville's former SecDef.
 
Neville's certainly being paid. As is his doofus SecState. How's that working out? Better check with that KGB thug before you answer.

Opie, I've got news for you. The Cold War is over. Has been for a looooong time. In fact, its been over since you've been eligible for Social Security! :D

There's only one thing worse than a fool, and that's an old fool.
 
Re: The Global War on Terror - Chapter 5 -- Putin on the Blitz!

Following up on our theme for the day, this article brings home the craven desperation of knuckledraggers, and how they continually get humiliated at their own hearings:

Why Darrell Issa Might Want to Cancel His Latest Benghazi Hearing
Newly released transcripts suggest he won't find what he's looking for.
Tweet By Alex Seitz-Wald

September 18, 2013 | 4:06 p.m.


Republicans are holding no less than three hearings this week on the 2012 Benghazi attack, "to examine the Administration's inadequate response," as House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said Monday (the same day, by the way, that Speaker John Boehner slammed the president for engaging in partisanship on the day of the Navy Yard shooting).

They're the latest in a long series of hearings and interviews investigating the attack, which Democrats have dismissed as nothing more than a fishing expedition into a "phony" scandal, but Thursday's hearing will be special. Lawmakers will finally get to hear from Ambassador Thomas Pickering and Adm. Mike Mullen, the two retired officials who led the government's internal report on the matter. Getting Mullen and Pickering into the hot seat has taken five months of negotiation and even a subpoena, so they must be hiding something good, right?

Maybe not. We have a pretty clear idea of what the two former officials might say, since they sat with congressional investigators for behind-closed-doors interviews in June. We finally got to see the 355 pages of transcribed testimony this week (read Mullen's and Pickering's here), but they've so far gone largely unnoticed. A review suggests that House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa and other Republicans will find no smoking guns in Thursday's hearing.

For instance, there's the question of whether the administration did everything it possibly could have to respond to the attack once it started. Last month, Issa said in a radio interview that the administration hasn't explained why it didn't send aircraft, and suggested that the president and then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton did not "actually care about people in harm's way as they're being attacked by al Qaeda elements."

Mullen, however, told congressional investigators two months earlier there was simply nothing more the U.S. military could have done. "[We] looked at every single U.S. military asset that was there, and what it possibly could have done, whether it could have moved or not. And it was in that interaction that I concluded, after a detailed understanding of what had happened that night, that from outside Libya, that we'd done everything possible that we could," the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff explained.

His interlocutor followed up: "So your conclusion based on your experience, 40 years of experience, is that the military and the U.S. Government did everything that they could to respond to the attacks?" Mullen responded, simply: "Yes."

Why didn't the U.S. send an "F-16 at low altitude [to] fly over those people who were attacking our consulate," as Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., asked in May on ABC's This Week? Because, Mullen told investigators, the F-16 would need be refueled at least twice, and that was impossible at the time. The "physics of it, the reality of it, it just wasn't going to happen for 12 to 20 hours," he said.

He added that just because forces weren't able to get there in time doesn't mean they weren't trying. "It does not seem to be, at least from a public standpoint, widely understood, we moved a lot of forces that night," he told investigators.

What about the notion that Mullen and Pickering's review wasn't independent, as many Republicans have claimed? Did he have full access? Did he look at everyone? "We had the authority to, within the scope of the tasking, to do just about anything that we thought was important," he said. "We interviewed everyone that we thought was relevant … the most important descriptive characteristic of it is that it would be independent."

What about Clinton? "In the end there was no official, including the secretary of state, whose involvement wasn't reviewed," he replied. "Everybody was on the table."

"We found no evidence whatsoever that [Clinton] was involved in security decisions" about the compound in Benghazi, Mullen told investigators. "She did not have such a role," Pickering added. A report issued by Issa's office this week mentions Clinton's name 33 times.

And those are just some of the more serious lingering questions about the attack, not the more fanciful ones like the notion that officials told special operators in country to "stand down." (On that one, here's the Republican House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon: "Contrary to news reports, [Lieutenant Colonel S.E.] Gibson was not ordered to 'stand down' by higher command authorities ... he would not have been able to get to Benghazi in time to make a difference.")

Of course, it's possible that Mullen and Pickering are lying, but that gets us into the realm of conspiracy theory, which is unfortunately where so much of the conversation around Benghazi has ended up. As The Washington Post's Dana Milbank wrote a few days ago, instead of focusing on important questions, "the Benghazi scandal-seekers are determined to link Hillary Clinton" to the attack, and are getting "distracted by wild theories."

Given that fact, no amount of testimony or hearings will likely lead to a real stand down order issued on Benghazi.
 
Re: The Global War on Terror - Chapter 5 -- Putin on the Blitz!

Opie, I've got news for you. The Cold War is over. Has been for a looooong time. In fact, its been over since you've been eligible for Social Security! :D

There's only one thing worse than a fool, and that's an old fool.

Which side were you on?
 
Re: The Global War on Terror - Chapter 5 -- Putin on the Blitz!

Following up on our theme for the day, this article brings home the craven desperation of knuckledraggers, and how they continually get humiliated at their own hearings:

Why Darrell Issa Might Want to Cancel His Latest Benghazi Hearing
Newly released transcripts suggest he won't find what he's looking for.
Tweet By Alex Seitz-Wald

September 18, 2013 | 4:06 p.m.


Republicans are holding no less than three hearings this week on the 2012 Benghazi attack, "to examine the Administration's inadequate response," as House Majority Leader Eric Cantor said Monday (the same day, by the way, that Speaker John Boehner slammed the president for engaging in partisanship on the day of the Navy Yard shooting).

They're the latest in a long series of hearings and interviews investigating the attack, which Democrats have dismissed as nothing more than a fishing expedition into a "phony" scandal, but Thursday's hearing will be special. Lawmakers will finally get to hear from Ambassador Thomas Pickering and Adm. Mike Mullen, the two retired officials who led the government's internal report on the matter. Getting Mullen and Pickering into the hot seat has taken five months of negotiation and even a subpoena, so they must be hiding something good, right?

Maybe not. We have a pretty clear idea of what the two former officials might say, since they sat with congressional investigators for behind-closed-doors interviews in June. We finally got to see the 355 pages of transcribed testimony this week (read Mullen's and Pickering's here), but they've so far gone largely unnoticed. A review suggests that House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa and other Republicans will find no smoking guns in Thursday's hearing.

For instance, there's the question of whether the administration did everything it possibly could have to respond to the attack once it started. Last month, Issa said in a radio interview that the administration hasn't explained why it didn't send aircraft, and suggested that the president and then-Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton did not "actually care about people in harm's way as they're being attacked by al Qaeda elements."

Mullen, however, told congressional investigators two months earlier there was simply nothing more the U.S. military could have done. "[We] looked at every single U.S. military asset that was there, and what it possibly could have done, whether it could have moved or not. And it was in that interaction that I concluded, after a detailed understanding of what had happened that night, that from outside Libya, that we'd done everything possible that we could," the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff explained.

His interlocutor followed up: "So your conclusion based on your experience, 40 years of experience, is that the military and the U.S. Government did everything that they could to respond to the attacks?" Mullen responded, simply: "Yes."

Why didn't the U.S. send an "F-16 at low altitude [to] fly over those people who were attacking our consulate," as Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., asked in May on ABC's This Week? Because, Mullen told investigators, the F-16 would need be refueled at least twice, and that was impossible at the time. The "physics of it, the reality of it, it just wasn't going to happen for 12 to 20 hours," he said.

He added that just because forces weren't able to get there in time doesn't mean they weren't trying. "It does not seem to be, at least from a public standpoint, widely understood, we moved a lot of forces that night," he told investigators.

What about the notion that Mullen and Pickering's review wasn't independent, as many Republicans have claimed? Did he have full access? Did he look at everyone? "We had the authority to, within the scope of the tasking, to do just about anything that we thought was important," he said. "We interviewed everyone that we thought was relevant … the most important descriptive characteristic of it is that it would be independent."

What about Clinton? "In the end there was no official, including the secretary of state, whose involvement wasn't reviewed," he replied. "Everybody was on the table."

"We found no evidence whatsoever that [Clinton] was involved in security decisions" about the compound in Benghazi, Mullen told investigators. "She did not have such a role," Pickering added. A report issued by Issa's office this week mentions Clinton's name 33 times.

And those are just some of the more serious lingering questions about the attack, not the more fanciful ones like the notion that officials told special operators in country to "stand down." (On that one, here's the Republican House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon: "Contrary to news reports, [Lieutenant Colonel S.E.] Gibson was not ordered to 'stand down' by higher command authorities ... he would not have been able to get to Benghazi in time to make a difference.")

Of course, it's possible that Mullen and Pickering are lying, but that gets us into the realm of conspiracy theory, which is unfortunately where so much of the conversation around Benghazi has ended up. As The Washington Post's Dana Milbank wrote a few days ago, instead of focusing on important questions, "the Benghazi scandal-seekers are determined to link Hillary Clinton" to the attack, and are getting "distracted by wild theories."

Given that fact, no amount of testimony or hearings will likely lead to a real stand down order issued on Benghazi.

It's no conspiracy theory that Neville and the rest of the little appeasers lied their a*sses off about a mob of Islamist film critics murdering four American diplomats. Why?
 
Re: The Global War on Terror - Chapter 5 -- Putin on the Blitz!

It's no conspiracy theory that Neville and the rest of the little appeasers lied their a*sses off about a mob of Islamist film critics murdering four American diplomats. Why?

I think at times you confuse lying with incompetence. I'm truly not sure which is worse.

I'll give you that they lie about their incompetence.
 
Re: The Global War on Terror - Chapter 5 -- Putin on the Blitz!

It's no conspiracy theory that Neville and the rest of the little appeasers lied their a*sses off about a mob of Islamist film critics murdering four American diplomats. Why?

Good luck getting an answer
 
Re: The Global War on Terror - Chapter 5 -- Putin on the Blitz!

I think at times you confuse lying with incompetence. I'm truly not sure which is worse.

I'll give you that they lie about their incompetence.

Sorry, there's no wriggling off the hook for Neville on this one. It has been shown beyond a shadow of doubt that the administration knew almost immediately it was an AQ attack (testimony, e-mails, etc) which had zero to do with a video nobody had seen. That's why they trotted Susan Rice out there (as opposed to Hillary) for the Sunday talk shows. Rice wasn't in the State Department chain of command, would have very little if any first hand knowledge of the mission at Benghazi, but had a certain amount of heft as our UN ambassador. And why the WH talking points were repeatedly massaged to reflect the "enraged film critics" lie.

Several days later Neville made a contemptible, groveling speech before the various "democrats" in the General Assembly during which he made mention of the video six times. He also participated in several network interviews ("The View!") in which he repeated this lie. It was a lie then. And is still a lie. And has never been anything other than a lie. They never thought what happened at Benghazi had anything to do with a video. Ever. Why tell the lie repeatedly? Well, because Neville had an election to win, that's why.
 
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Vlad is going to be a bit upset. http://news.yahoo.com/syria-mortar-round-lands-russian-embassy-104906066.html

I wonder if a Spetsnaz squad or two is going to get a warm weather tour??

These would be the guys:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_Group

"Six years later, in October 1985, Alpha Group was dispatched to the war-torn Beirut, Lebanon. The Kremlin was informed of the kidnapping of four Russian diplomats by the militant group Islamic Liberation Organization (a radical offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood). It was believed that this was retaliation to the Russian support of the Syrian involvement in the Lebanese Civil War.[16] However, by the time Alpha arrived, word spread that one of the hostages had already been killed. Through a network of supporting KGB operatives, members of the task-force identified each of the perpetrators involved in the crisis, and once identified, began to take the relatives of these militants as hostages. Following the standard Soviet policy of no negotiations with terrorists, some of the hostages belonging to Alpha Group had been dismembered and their body parts where sent to the militants. The warning was clear: more would follow unless the remaining hostages are released immediately. The show of force worked, and for a period of 20 years[17] no Soviet or Russian officials were taken captive until the 2006 abduction and murder of four Russian embassy staff members in Iraq."

I'd imagine it would get your attention if you received a FedEx pouch with Uncle Omar's naughty bits in it.
 
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Rumors are flying that some of the terrorists in Kenya could have been recruited from Maine? Pretty large Somali population in Portland and Lewiston.
 
Sorry, there's no wriggling off the hook for Neville on this one. It has been shown beyond a shadow of doubt that the administration knew almost immediately it was an AQ attack (testimony, e-mails, etc) which had zero to do with a video nobody had seen. That's why they trotted Susan Rice out there (as opposed to Hillary) for the Sunday talk shows. Rice wasn't in the State Department chain of command, would have very little if any first hand knowledge of the mission at Benghazi, but had a certain amount of heft as our UN ambassador. And why the WH talking points were repeatedly massaged to reflect the "enraged film critics" lie.

Several days later Neville made a contemptible, groveling speech before the various "democrats" in the General Assembly during which he made mention of the video six times. He also participated in several network interviews ("The View!") in which he repeated this lie. It was a lie then. And is still a lie. And has never been anything other than a lie. They never thought what happened at Benghazi had anything to do with a video. Ever. Why tell the lie repeatedly? Well, because Neville had an election to win, that's why.

Opie you're being an old fool again. This idiocy has been debunked repeatedly, and no amount of lying on your part is going to make your version come true. All you'll end up being is more frustrated than you already are, if that's even possible.

Funny how The Truth is known to you, but your man-crush, Congressman Grant Theft Auto, can't seem to find the smoking gun. What gives?
 
Re: The Global War on Terror - Chapter 5 -- Putin on the Blitz!

Opie you're being an old fool again. This idiocy has been debunked repeatedly, and no amount of lying on your part is going to make your version come true. All you'll end up being is more frustrated than you already are, if that's even possible.

Funny how The Truth is known to you, but your man-crush, Congressman Grant Theft Auto, can't seem to find the smoking gun. What gives?

You need some new material. Most of us understand you think it's a substitute for an actual argument. There are two issues here: What did Neville know about the attack during the 8 hours it unfolded and what did he do about it? The second is the coverup. Your argument seems to be: "We got away with it, so nothing must have happened." Neville's a liar. Hillary's a liar. And so are all the rest of them. The preposterous idea that the attack in Benghazi was "spontaneous" (by guys who just happened to be packing RPGs and mortars) outrage at a video none of them had ever seen wouldn't fool a ten year old. But has apparently fooled you.
 
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You need some new material. Most of us understand you think it's a substitute for an actual argument. There are two issues here: What did Neville know about the attack during the 8 hours it unfolded and what did he do about it? The second is the coverup. Your argument seems to be: "We got away with it, so nothing must have happened." Neville's a liar. Hillary's a liar. And so are all the rest of them. The preposterous idea that the attack in Benghazi was "spontaneous" (by guys who just happened to be packing RPGs and mortars) outrage at a video none of them had ever seen wouldn't fool a ten year old. But has apparently fooled you.


Lets examine the facts, shall we? In the chaos of an attack, simultaneous with attacks on other embassies which were driven by an idiotic video, it was unclear from both the CIA, the State Dept and the military as to what exactly was going on. As career military people have repeatedly testified under oath, there was unfortunately no response that would have reached the area on time. So, if you continue with these accusations, you personally Opie are responsible for slandering the military, the very institution you presumably served proudly in. All because of your anti-Obama rage. Are you proud of yourself? What else will you turn your back on in a desperate attempt to undo the last two elections?

Regarding a cover up, the admin has answered multiple hearings under oath in front of House committees dying to come up with something, ANYTHING, to tag them with. So either no cover up happened or the GOP are the most incompetent idiots on God's green Earth. Of course, both might be true! ;) All knuckledragger logic on this issue seems to revolve around this. Susan Rice using CIA & State Dept talking points gave an inaccurate and since corrected account of what happened a few days after the event while the facts were still being sorted out. Whoop da dee doo. If this is what you're hanging your hat on, conservatism is even more comatose than I thought, and that's saying something.
 
Re: The Global War on Terror - Chapter 5 -- Putin on the Blitz!

Lets examine the facts, shall we? In the chaos of an attack, simultaneous with attacks on other embassies which were driven by an idiotic video, it was unclear from both the CIA, the State Dept and the military as to what exactly was going on. As career military people have repeatedly testified under oath, there was unfortunately no response that would have reached the area on time. So, if you continue with these accusations, you personally Opie are responsible for slandering the military, the very institution you presumably served proudly in. All because of your anti-Obama rage. Are you proud of yourself? What else will you turn your back on in a desperate attempt to undo the last two elections?

Regarding a cover up, the admin has answered multiple hearings under oath in front of House committees dying to come up with something, ANYTHING, to tag them with. So either no cover up happened or the GOP are the most incompetent idiots on God's green Earth. Of course, both might be true! ;) All knuckledragger logic on this issue seems to revolve around this. Susan Rice using CIA & State Dept talking points gave an inaccurate and since corrected account of what happened a few days after the event while the facts were still being sorted out. Whoop da dee doo. If this is what you're hanging your hat on, conservatism is even more comatose than I thought, and that's saying something.

Your insistence on conflating the actual attack with the subsequent cover up shows how desperate you are to protect Neville. Anyone with a room temperature IQ can see through your typical childish ad hominem efforts to make this about me instead of him. I've said nothing about our lack of military response. That is a matter separate from Neville's so far successful efforts to cover his a*s. He repeatedly lied about the attack after it was abundantly clear it was neither spontaneous nor had anything to do with a video. Intelligence and people on the ground, not to mention the terrorists who took "credit" for the attack, made it quite clear at the outset that it was a terror attack. Susan Rice's appearance on all the Sunday talk shows was far from "inaccurate," it was a lie. Carefully crafted to serve Neville's goal of winning an election. And Neville's repeated references to the video were all lies. And you know it.
 
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Your insistence on conflating the actual attack with the subsequent cover up shows how desperate you are to protect Neville. He repeatedly lied about the attack after it was abundantly clear it was neither spontaneous nor had anything to do with a video. Intelligence and people on the ground, not to mention the terrorists who took "credit" for the attack, made it quite clear at the outset that it was a terror attack. Susan Rice's appearance on all the Sunday talk shows was far from "inaccurate," it was a lie. And Neville's repeated references to the video were all lies. And you know it.
Where is Scooby with the "no sticky"
 
Your insistence on conflating the actual attack with the subsequent cover up shows how desperate you are to protect Neville. Anyone with a room temperature IQ can see through your typical childish ad hominem efforts to make this about me instead of him. I've said nothing about our lack of military response. That is a matter separate from Neville's so far successful efforts to cover his a*s. He repeatedly lied about the attack after it was abundantly clear it was neither spontaneous nor had anything to do with a video. Intelligence and people on the ground, not to mention the terrorists who took "credit" for the attack, made it quite clear at the outset that it was a terror attack. Susan Rice's appearance on all the Sunday talk shows was far from "inaccurate," it was a lie. Carefully crafted to serve Neville's goal of winning an election. And Neville's repeated references to the video were all lies. And you know it.

Opie Opie Opie, where to begin.....

IF there is a coverup, its gotta be about the best darn coverup in history. A Republican committee with subpeona power and all personnel at their disposal (dispite their whining, they can't state one person who they've been refused access to) can't get to the bottom of this after a year of digging? This in a govt crawling with Bradley Mannings and Edward Snowdens? All those military people who are in the know, as well as CIA professionals, all of them are disgracing their uniforms according to you. A guy like Petreaus, now out of govt and with nothing to lose and with no reason to carry water for the O, is still intent on deceiving the country according to your logic? Again, have you no shame, sir? Will you continue to slander the very people who served in the same institution as yourself, all to undo the last two elections? When and where does your crackpot obsession end?

Opie brings up a fascinating point about unfortunately a majority of so called conservatives. Its something I've never seen before, which is when a lie about the President gets exposed, the people who bought into the lie aren't made at the source of the falsehood, they get even more angry at the President because it turned out not to be true! :confused:

Lets say I had it out for, I don't know, Ted Cruz or somebody like that. So I'm reading all the whiny liberals over at Daily Kos, and they have a story where Cruz faked his Harvard degree. I'm all over it, post about it a bunch of times...then it turns out not to be true. Then the next week they post a story about how Cruz has several drug convictions in his past. I again get all excited and post about it....only to find out again it wasn't true. Then this same cycle repeated itself 10 more times.

You know, after getting burned by the same source a dozen times, I'm not going to like Ted Cruz any better, but at the same time I'm not going to be more angry at him because a bunch of baseless accusations ended up not being true. I am going to be pretty upset at the people who kept feeding me BS that they knew wasn't true. This is what seperates knuckledraggers from the rest of us. Its the desperate attempt to find something, ANYTHING, to take down a Democratic President with no care whether its true or not. This attitude makes those people fools, and its bringing down the once proud Repubican party with it.
 
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