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The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

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To me, one of the (if not the) most important considerations is to prevent any further terrorist attacks on US soil. So far, 0bama's administration has been successful at that goal.

I thought that the concept of engaging terrorists overseas, keeping them bottled up and busy fighting there and preventing them from having a safe haven, was quite shrewd. Unfortunately, the execution of that concept left a great deal to be desired. :(

Had 0bama any strategic sense, he'd have found a way to reject his predecessor's problems with execution while he kept the concept active (let's give him credit, he did keep the hunt for bin Laden at high heat until it succeeded).

People have asked me, "what would do?" If allowed, I'd go back to the Green Revolution in Iran in 2009. When 0bama was first elected, I wanted him to do well. Given that most politicians exaggerate, I hoped that if he lived up to 1/3 of what he promised, we'd be okay. Yet when the everyday people of Iran rose up against the theocrat thugs, he was passive and silent. I wasn't alone in wondering at the time, "what is wrong with him? this is one of the best opportunities we'll ever have to make the world a safer place!" I'd have done as much as I could, both overtly and covertly, to support the Iranian democrats, and have tried to engender as much international support for them as I could.

His failure to act in that instance was just part of a string of voting "present" when decisive action (defensible decisive action) would have made a crucial difference. There is a compounding effect in public affairs. You are seen as a bit weak, someone tests you, you fail that test, you get tested some more, you fail that test too, and then you have a real serious mess on your hands.

Now ISIS is actively recruiting US citizens with the express intent of sending them here to carry out terror attacks on US soil. Yet he still equivocates! :mad:

Number one job of the Commander in Chief is to protect the US against attack. They have declared outright war on us. Whether we like it or not, that means we are at war. No amount of denial nor equivocation will change that. They are going to keep attacking.

It makes no sense to me to be at war and not fight to win. Anything less leaves us exposed to way too much risk otherwise.
 
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So far, 0bama's administration has been successful at that goal.

He uttered, through clenched teeth.

"0bama", is that really what passes for Republican humor now? I liked it better when hardcore righties were calling him, "The One" - much funnier. Even "The Half-rican", was at least a racist guilty pleasure.
 
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Want to add the Patriot Act and Homeland Security to the list? I would.

Of course.

DHS is a problem because once created all institutions, from banks to bookies, perpetuate themselves and enlarge their scope. This also happened with the FBI and CIA and every other one of the 17 US intel agencies. This is one of the places where the Small Gubmint crowd should be listened to -- these entities can only expand their power by curtailing Americans' freedom, and they do it wrapped up in the flag, the cross, and WONT SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!

Adulthood is tough and one of its challenges is to navigate a complicated and at times threatening world without either hippie-dipping through life with your front door open or huddling in your shelter clutching your guns and Bibles. America faces the same problem now as an adult country, and the demagogues will always be out there pressing for the latter posture. The adults among us have to push back that both freedom and security are essential components of a worthwhile life. Either without the other is hell.
 
He uttered, through clenched teeth.

"0bama", is that really what passes for Republican humor now? I liked it better when hardcore righties were calling him, "The One" - much funnier. Even "The Half-rican", was at least a racist guilty pleasure.

Yeah, I don't get that one. This board's Fark Independent (tm) pretends to be some intellectually astute wannabe, then throws crap like that around ruining his entire rant. It's not clever, it reads like a teenager's text message, and outs himself as a troll as though we didn't already know that.
 
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Yeah, I don't get that one. This board's Fark Independent (tm) pretends to be some intellectually astute wannabe, then throws crap like that around ruining his entire rant. It's not clever, it reads like a teenager's text message, and outs himself as a troll as though we didn't already know that.

I may disagree with FF off and on. But at least the guy engages, advances POV and isn't all lather. IMO...
 
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I may disagree with FF off and on. But at least the guy engages, advances POV and isn't all lather. IMO...

Well, if you allow for "his" POV being whatever is on the front page of Drudge that morning.

FF is the only poster I have ever read who I have thought "this might actually be a bot."
 
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Problem with Fishy is his post is nonsense. Once again, he's not advocating anything, just a litany of complaints. Frankly, the man hasn't been the same since Mittens spit the bit the last election. :eek: :D

So, I'm not sure what exactly the Iran "Green Revolution" was supposed to do in terms of containing ISIS :rolleyes: and Fishy doesn't bother to enlighen us, nor does he say what possible influence the US could have on Iranian domestic politics. Beyond that, there's vague platitudes about "fighting a war to win" (no sh ! t Sherlock, who fights a war to lose?) and other such stupidity but again, no suggestions no actions no solutions. Just talk.

I for one like Fishy's contributions to the board. He really does sum up modern Republican conservative thought. Lots of complaints, lots of juvenile rants out of old middle aged people, but no answers.
 
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They just can't do humor. Humor requires humility. They can only do hatred, as it requires nothing but conceit.

Is that liberal nuance? Or just the snarling face of the left? Is there a difference?
 
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Is that liberal nuance? Or just the snarling face of the left? Is there a difference?

The Burroughs expression was "the mean pinched hate-filled faces of decent church-going women."

If you're gonna do it, do it right.
 
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Now I'm a bit confused. Are there people here who are saying that it isn't all that important to protect the US from another terrorist attack on US soil? :confused:


It seems to me that this is one area where "leading from behind" might well turn out to be a fatal mistake. They have declared war on us. To win such a war requires a holistic response, a long-term plan, and a cohesive strategy. Mockery is not much of a weapon against such a foe.
 
Now I'm a bit confused. Are there people here who are saying that it isn't all that important to protect the US from another terrorist attack on US soil? :confused:


It seems to me that this is one area where "leading from behind" might well turn out to be a fatal mistake. They have declared war on us. To win such a war requires a holistic response, a long-term plan, and a cohesive strategy. Mockery is not much of a weapon against such a foe.
Protect our borders - Yes
Defend American interests abroad - Yes
Send troops - No.
Bomb - depends Though nobody has ever defeated an opponent purely by bombing

I will say this. If you're going to commit the full weight and measure of our arsenal then you go all out. No half measures or rules of engagement. We won't fight using the Marquis of Queensbury rules.
 
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If all the John Waynes would just join the army to defend us, we'd all be much better off.

Eventually.
 
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Bomb - depends Though nobody has ever defeated an opponent purely by bombing
Hiroshima and Nagasaki say, "Hi!"

Not that I'm advocating that option - just saying that I disagree with your historical assertion. Would we have eventually defeated Japan anyway? Absolutely. But the fact is that Japan surrendered when it did purely because of bombing.
 
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki say, "Hi!"

Not that I'm advocating that option - just saying that I disagree with your historical assertion. Would we have eventually defeated Japan anyway? Absolutely. But the fact is that Japan surrendered when it did purely because of bombing.

That's just not true. The island hopping strategy, which was quite intimate, destroyed their ability to continue fighting and gave us the air superiority so that we could then incinerate their civilians in firestorms.

Now nukes may have changed things, but up until now no war was ever won purely by bombing except maybe this one.
 
Now I'm a bit confused. Are there people here who are saying that it isn't all that important to protect the US from another terrorist attack on US soil?

No. There are people saying what you and other warhawks propose is not necessary.
 
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