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The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

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Anyone else see 60 minutes last night? Great story on ISIS and the war.

How ****ed up is it that we can't use our Air Base in Turkey for strikes against ISIS? Aren't they in NATO for cripes sake?

Maliki and Turkey are the top two reasons I can think of why this War is a complete waste of time and money.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Anyone else see 60 minutes last night? Great story on ISIS and the war.
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It was interesting, but it was also Leon Panetta running an ad for Hillary. I highly doubt the WH debate was anywhere near as cut and dried as he suggested.
 
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I find it interesting that neither Lindsey, nor King, nor McCain thought it important for Obama to have authorization before bombing Syria.

And, I also find it interesting that the Bone Man and McConnell want their states to re-elect them to great positions of power while they spend their current time in office shirking their responsibility.

Congress is broken.
 
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Yay! Another war! I'm so excited! Maybe this one can be just as productive as the previous ones. :rolleyes:
 
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Kepler said:
Don't knock it; it's our sole remaining export.
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Sad but true. At least the good news is that bombs are by nature expendable so we need to keep purchasing them. I wonder how China feels about financing another war on terror? I guess they probably like it better than a war on communism.
 
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MattS said:
Sad but true. At least the good news is that bombs are by nature expendable so we need to keep purchasing them. I wonder how China feels about financing another war on terror? I guess they probably like it better than a war on communism.
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As you say, the Chinese are investing in the upwards transfer of wealth from American tax payers to the holders of American debt (to be honest, this makes a lot more sense than investing in their own ghost cities' real estate scam). That's what war is for -- privatized credits balanced against socialized debits. It's a gabelle, where the tax is future debt piled on top of middle class children and grandchildren. The investor class gets rich off the immediate influx of cash and when things get tough they go off-shore.

Welcome to post-1980 America, just like Jude Wanniski drew it up.
 
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MattS said:
Sad but true. At least the good news is that bombs are by nature expendable so we need to keep purchasing them. I wonder how China feels about financing another war on terror? I guess they probably like it better than a war on communism.
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I've read reports that China supports taking action against ISIS. If there's one thing China likes, it's obeying state authority, which ISIS does not do. The second thing China likes is oil, which ISIS could disrupt the supply if they're permitted to get large enough.
 
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MattS said:
Sad but true. At least the good news is that bombs are by nature expendable so we need to keep purchasing them. I wonder how China feels about financing another war on terror? I guess they probably like it better than a war on communism.
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And yet, Raytheon is down 1.3% today... Did not expect that.
 
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St. Clown said:
I've read reports that China supports taking action against ISIS. If there's one thing China likes, it's obeying state authority, which ISIS does not do. The second thing China likes is oil, which ISIS could disrupt the supply if they're permitted to get large enough.
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They're not wild about Islam, either.
 
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Outgoing Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai took one final swipe at the U.S. Tuesday, telling a gathering of Afghan government employees that the 13-year American-led military action had failed to bring peace to his country.

"We don't have peace because the Americans didn't want peace," said Karzai, who will officially give way to President-elect Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai when the latter is sworn in Monday.

"If America and Pakistan really want it, peace will come to Afghanistan," Karzai added, referring to his country's eastern neighbor as well as the U.S. "The war in Afghanistan is to the benefit of foreigners. But Afghans on both sides are the sacrificial lambs and victims of this war."
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Read that and tell me these wars aren't a colossal waste of time and money.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/24/karzai-brands-us-war-effort-failure-in-farewell-address/
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Read that and tell me these wars aren't a colossal waste of time and money.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/24/karzai-brands-us-war-effort-failure-in-farewell-address/
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The lesson for me (aside from some world leaders like Karzai need to be told to S T F U) is that you can't let a war become an occupation. Strike militarily, then leave. If trouble starts again, strike again. The two most successful recent wars, Bosnia and the Gulf War, were done in this manner. Yes in both cases we had to launch more military strikes (Kosovo in the Balkans and multiple strikes against Saddam pre-Bush II) but never was the US responsible for the wholesale security of either country.

So, same thing with ISIS. Bomb the p !ss out of them until they go away and let local troops deal with them. If they stick their heads up again later on, start bombing again. Its far better than restarting the ludicrous Iraq War complete with boots on the ground doing the fighting for the Iraqis.
 
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ScoobyDoo said:
Read that and tell me these wars aren't a colossal waste of time and money.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/09/24/karzai-brands-us-war-effort-failure-in-farewell-address/
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The Brits knew how to do these things. When you want to milk a country dry, you co-opt one native group and train them up as the middle management. You stay on top but aside from the occasional civilian massacre you do little more than sit and collect the taxes and extract resources. You justify it all by saying you're bringing the fuzzy-wuzzies civilization, or you're protecting them from the bad old Russian bear (German eagle, Yellow Peril, whatever). And you let the hate-pinched-faced old maids hand out Bibles. Every once in a while one of them will get strung up and then you can declare a revenge war against the "threat to Christianity and (sniff) motherhood" and gas a few thousand malcontents. Meanwhile, the trade lanes to India stay open and the money keeps pouring in.

We're getting there. Our model is different from the Brits primarily in who gets the goodies. The Brits poured a lot of it back into the Empire. We're putting it into private pockets. So far the rubes haven't noticed, but ours is an inherently more risky business model.
 
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Kepler said:
The Brits knew how to do these things. When you want to milk a country dry, you co-opt one native group and train them up as the middle management. You stay on top but aside from the occasional civilian massacre you do little more than sit and collect the taxes and extract resources. You justify it all by saying you're bringing the fuzzy-wuzzies civilization, or you're protecting them from the bad old Russian bear (German eagle, Yellow Peril, whatever). And you let the hate-pinched-faced old maids hand out Bibles. Every once in a while one of them will get strung up and then you can declare a revenge war against the "threat to Christianity and (sniff) motherhood" and gas a few thousand malcontents. Meanwhile, the trade lanes to India stay open and the money keeps pouring in.

We're getting there. Our model is different from the Brits primarily in who gets the goodies. The Brits poured a lot of it back into the Empire. We're putting it into private pockets. So far the rubes haven't noticed, but ours is an inherently more risky business model.
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Again you fit another segment of world history into your pet narrative. You're tenacity in pushing it is impressive.
 
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Bob Gray said:
Again you fit another segment of world history into your pet narrative. You're tenacity in pushing it is impressive.
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Your, not you're.

Also, it's a different narrative. Well, OK, maybe a different verse.
 
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