The Global War on Terror 5.0: Putin on the Risk

[Old Pio]

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Pretty good very high level view of two interesting social-psychological tendencies among reactionaries: Right Wing Authoritarianism (RWA) and the Social Dominance Orientation (SDO). If it gets your back up trying to relate them to American politics, use the Germans or the Japanese as proxies.

As with everything, your mileage may vary, these are tendencies not rigid typologies, your sweet Auntie who votes straight ticket GOP is not implicated, etc. And as with everything, no doubt there are comparable monsters lurking on the other side of the spectrum.

Naturally. Those who disagree with you are "reactionaries." And their sons should be placed in harms way. Got it. I'll give you credit for this: you tenaciously cling to your prejudices. Like the bumper sticker said: "They'll get my prejudices out of my cold dead fingers."

 

[Old Pio]

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+1

The reference to "the Japs" should have clarified it, even for you.

 

[St. Clown]

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Courageous my a*s! That nutty old bag was evidently waiting for the Japs to show up at the Missoula state fair. It isn't "courage" to vote against a declaration of war against a state that has just killed nearly 3,000 Americans, it's dementia.

Pulling a quote from Miss Rankin, "As a woman I can't go to war," she said, "and I refuse to send anyone else." She had to be escorted out of the Capitol after casting her lone dissent, a gang of men were following her because of her vote and she hid in a telephone booth to place a call to request the escort.

 

[Old Pio]

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Pulling a quote from Miss Rankin, "As a woman I can't go to war," she said, "and I refuse to send anyone else." She had to be escorted out of the Capitol after casting her lone dissent, a gang of men were following her because of her vote and she hid in a telephone booth to place a call to request the escort.

Yeah, so? A self righteous, delusional old bat.

 

[St. Clown]

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Yeah, so?

The fact that you can't see the problem speaks volumes about your state of mind. That's ever so chivalous of those gentlemen, to torment a single lady like that, don't you think?

She cast a lone vote of dissent. It meant nothing in the grand scheme of things, but people like you get frothing at the mouth and are willing to harrass a woman because she didn't do what the men told her to do. Stay classy, Old Pio.

 

[Jimjamesak]

Somebody has obviously already stuck it to you. Punishing the sons of people who disagree with you is pretty much peacenik par. And denying that's what you're advocating is also peacenik par.

I'm not saying to punish the sons of those who disagree with me. I'm saying that if their sons were put on an equal footing as everybody else's, they probably wouldn't be beating the war drums.

And no I'm not a peacenik. I understand and will advocate the use of force in justifiable cases. This case, not being a justifiable one.

 

[Jimjamesak]

The fact that you can't see the problem speaks volumes about your state of mind. That's ever so chivalous of those gentlemen, to torment a single lady like that, don't you think?

She cast a lone vote of dissent. It meant nothing in the grand scheme of things, but people like you get frothing at the mouth and are willing to harrass a woman because she didn't do what the men told her to do. Stay classy, Old Pio.

And then he gets even classier after an edit.

Yeah, so? A self righteous, delusional old bat.

 

[St. Clown]

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And then he gets even classier after an edit.

Yup, clearly he has something against America appearing as being something other than homogenous of thought. Our mindful purity is of the utmost importance! Never mind that the nation's citizens weren't 100% in favor of war with them thar Japs, we had to make it look that way at least!

 

[Kepler]

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I'm not saying to punish the sons of those who disagree with me. I'm saying that if their sons were put on an equal footing as everybody else's, they probably wouldn't be beating the war drums.

The GOP and their enablers have fought equality under the law for a century on religion, race, gender and sexual preference. What makes you think the light's going to go on now when it comes to their favorite group to shield, the wealthy?

 

[Jimjamesak]

The GOP and their enablers have fought equality under the law for a century on religion, race, gender and sexual preference. What makes you think the light's going to go on now when it comes to their favorite group to shield, the wealthy?

This is something that goes beyond the GOP and centuries. But I'm just making point that I'm not advocating that the rich be forced to send their kids first. But apparently equality = bloodthirsty on those who disagree with me.

 

[SJHovey]

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Weird, though, how some who vote their convictions have courage, others are just right-wing nutjobs.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Weird, though, how some who vote their convictions have courage, others are just right-wing nutjobs.

If your conviction is nutjob, then you are a nutjob. Right-wing or left-wing.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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The reference to "the Japs" should have clarified it, even for you.

Sorry, but based on what was being discussed, I have no idea what "the Japs" have to do with Hillary and her courage or lack thereof.


You realize that "Japs" is longer considered a proper term in polite conversation, right?

 

[FadeToBlack&Gold]

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You realize that "Japs" is longer considered a proper term in polite conversation, right?

You realize that slurs and imaginary slurs are all he's got to cling to when he gets desperate, right?

 

[Gurtholfin]

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You realize that slurs and imaginary slurs are all he's got to cling to when he gets desperate, right?

Just as long as you don't tell him that he's a racist...

 

[WisconsinWildcard]

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There are about 42 million people in their 20's in the U.S. right now. I think the casualty figures for Iraq/Afghanistan are probably somewhere in the 5000-6000 range. If the wounded figures follow historical averages, they're probably 3x or 4x the number of dead. Obviously tragic for those involved, but I'm pretty sure your "generation" is going to survive the carnage.

And that completely ignores the personal, psychological, and economic damage to those that serve. I really recommend for anyone who advocates ground troops in any conflict spend some time at the VA. I have spent a lot of time participating in packed group therapy sessions (with waiting lists, of course) at the VA and there is so much damage caused that average citizens and elected officials have no idea about. It is remarkable to see the stark contrast in the overall health of those patients at the VA vs other hospitals in the area.

I am sure there will be the argument that they are "learning skills to help them in the real world." In some cases, that may be true, but in my experience it is much more common that their health problems and psychological damage make them difficult to employ through absolutely no fault of their own.

I support their military service. VA patients are some of my favorite to work with but they are truly difficult to manage medically secondary to the co-morbidities related to military service. One of the MD generals I worked with said it well: "We can best honor veterans by trying hard to make no more of them."

 

[dxmnkd316]

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This has been an enlightening series of posts since my last post.

 

[Jimjamesak]

And that completely ignores the personal, psychological, and economic damage to those that serve. I really recommend for anyone who advocates ground troops in any conflict spend some time at the VA. I have spent a lot of time participating in packed group therapy sessions (with waiting lists, of course) at the VA and there is so much damage caused that average citizens and elected officials have no idea about. It is remarkable to see the stark contrast in the overall health of those patients at the VA vs other hospitals in the area.

I am sure there will be the argument that they are "learning skills to help them in the real world." In some cases, that may be true, but in my experience it is much more common that their health problems and psychological damage make them difficult to employ through absolutely no fault of their own.

I support their military service. VA patients are some of my favorite to work with but they are truly difficult to manage medically secondary to the co-morbidities related to military service. One of the MD generals I worked with said it well: "We can best honor veterans by trying hard to make no more of them."

This is the exact kind of stuff I was refering to about being glossed over. I don't work at a VA but even living in a place with a large military presence I've seen it. Suicides, drunk driving accidents, broken families, PTSD is real stuff. But the people beating the war drum don't think of * like that. I meant it when I said that a large portion of my generation is *ed up and has paid a heavy price because of Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

[Kepler]

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You realize that "Japs" is longer considered a proper term in polite conversation, right?

My uncle, who fought in WW2, the big one, used to say Japs all the time. His son (my cousin) would correct him and then a sentence later talk about the gooks (he got his legs blown off in Vietnam).

 

[joecct]

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Pio

I apologize for the oversight. I can only attribute it to the noise in the room that made comprehension impossible. A thousand pardons.