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The Generic Racism Thread 1: Lift Every Voice and Sing
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MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
Next DHS Secretary?
MissThundercat
Are the cis okay?
Rome, GA courthouse, where lots of Strange Fruit appeared, catches fire. Should have let it burn all the way down.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
"For generations, the courthouse has served as a symbol of Floyd County’s heritage and civic life."
Ah yes, our precious Southern heritage. I wonder how many wrongfully accused black defendants got railroaded and sentenced to the chair there.
Ah yes, our precious Southern heritage. I wonder how many wrongfully accused black defendants got railroaded and sentenced to the chair there.
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
If it’s old enough, it was likely host to lynchings.
Slap Shot
I got nothing
Laissez-faire capitalism. There were a lot more checks on our version pre-Reagan, but the Rethuglicans have slowly eroded away at regulation for the better part of 45 years.
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
History will bear that market economics is simply the most efficient way of determining supply, demand, and prices of goods and services. Central planning didn't work and doesn't work because it is too paralytic and cannot quickly react to changes in consumer demand. Thus it cannot effectively distribute the supply of raw materials accordingly.
But that's for the business and econ thread.
We expect the US and UK to behave this way. Disappointing to see the entire EU shirk responsibility, but with all the stolen African artifacts in their museums, perhaps not shocking.
But that's for the business and econ thread.
We expect the US and UK to behave this way. Disappointing to see the entire EU shirk responsibility, but with all the stolen African artifacts in their museums, perhaps not shocking.
Kepler
Si certus es dubita
TLDR: sorry this got long. Still two hours til first pitch.
Free market is not the same as laissez faire is not the same as capitalism.
Laissez faire is the demotion of all societal standards except profit. It's a terrible ideology invoked invariably by scoundrels and criminals. The mugger wants to be free of the "job killing" interference of the cops. The term was minted in pre-Revolutionary France meaning free of the crown or aristos taking their cut. In the present it just means ducking safety, environmental, and civil rights laws which are the will of the people. Kill it with fire.
Capitalism is acid that dissolves human community and empathy. It reduces work to servitude and sucks wealth from those who create it to those whose hoarding of little pieces of green paper warp production solely for their ROI while continually eroding most people's quality of life.
Always remember: economies are invented means, not discovered ends. There is no such thing as value-blind production. We create goods and money to be happier. If huge swaths of people are made miserable by an economic system, change it. Efficiency is a trap if the hindmost are immiserated while the average inches upwards due to runaway inequality. Always look at the median, not the mean.
End scene.
And now, for a change of pace, here is a mindfuck. What happens when you mix the lowest and most vile racism from History's Greatest Monster with intelligent analysis of the predations of capitalism.
1930-40s Germans, like 2010-20s MAGAts, were not monsters. They were normal, albeit somewhat gullible, people who had been lied to all their lives who were suddenly being told half truths (by a madman).
One reason we need Leftism is otherwise the only time the people will hear the truths of economic populism the message will come wrapped in a sheet and wearing a hood. Rightwing populism inevitably leads to genocide. Bernie's going to make a few rich families sputter with indignation, but he's never going to open death camps.
Free market is not the same as laissez faire is not the same as capitalism.
- Free market = the market determines prices, profit, and ultimately production. Almost always good.
- Laissez faire = supposedly the disinterested optimization of the market. In practice, selective and a cover for rapine.
- Capitalism = investment and ownership independent of productive work. Literally lethal. A body count of billions.
Laissez faire is the demotion of all societal standards except profit. It's a terrible ideology invoked invariably by scoundrels and criminals. The mugger wants to be free of the "job killing" interference of the cops. The term was minted in pre-Revolutionary France meaning free of the crown or aristos taking their cut. In the present it just means ducking safety, environmental, and civil rights laws which are the will of the people. Kill it with fire.
Capitalism is acid that dissolves human community and empathy. It reduces work to servitude and sucks wealth from those who create it to those whose hoarding of little pieces of green paper warp production solely for their ROI while continually eroding most people's quality of life.
Always remember: economies are invented means, not discovered ends. There is no such thing as value-blind production. We create goods and money to be happier. If huge swaths of people are made miserable by an economic system, change it. Efficiency is a trap if the hindmost are immiserated while the average inches upwards due to runaway inequality. Always look at the median, not the mean.
End scene.
And now, for a change of pace, here is a mindfuck. What happens when you mix the lowest and most vile racism from History's Greatest Monster with intelligent analysis of the predations of capitalism.
1930-40s Germans, like 2010-20s MAGAts, were not monsters. They were normal, albeit somewhat gullible, people who had been lied to all their lives who were suddenly being told half truths (by a madman).
One reason we need Leftism is otherwise the only time the people will hear the truths of economic populism the message will come wrapped in a sheet and wearing a hood. Rightwing populism inevitably leads to genocide. Bernie's going to make a few rich families sputter with indignation, but he's never going to open death camps.
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RaceBoarder
Waiting for the Snow to fly...
This is why I hate being an outdoorsman and the hobby being 80% MAGA...
Had a conversation earlier in the week with an Illinois Conservation Police Officer (who surprisingly ISN'T MAGA, but also not much beyond purple). Known him for years through the hobby and this particular officer being the "PR" face, as he mans the booth at many off-season sports shows and many other events throughout the year. He shared some numbers for tickets/citations and just the general "vibe" of enforcement operations over the late Fall and Winter. And much of what he said seems to track with the perceived stereotype that (at some particular locations) that foreigners are truly the ones being the pigs, with things like fishing without a license, over harvest/poaching, and littering.
For some context, this is based around the Yellow Perch fishing that is done at "Steelworker's Park". It's an old, decommissioned industrial slip on the far south side of Chicago. The slip hasn't been used in any capacity for 30+ years now. About 15 years ago, the City of Chicago acquired the land on the shores of Lake Michigan South of the slip along with about 50 yards of "shoreline" on the South side of the actual slip. The remainder of the slip (Entire North side and about 85% of the South Side) is still privately owned and has been passed off in a couple of property deals over the years. The most recent acquisition is for the land to become a data center, but since it's nowhere near "shovels in the ground" development, people will just go around the crumbling fences that line the private land and fish the entire slip. Every Winter, starting around Thanksgiving, Yellow Perch take up residence in the slip for the Winter, along with larger Lake Trout that follow the Perch to feed on them. They will then hang around until Spring finally breaks in Late February/Early March.
With both being high sought "food" fish, the slip is by far the most attended single fishing spot in IL. On a nice weather weekend day, you could have 400-500 people fishing along the walls of the slip. And yet, with the numbers being what they are, only about 1/2 of the people fishing have English as their main language. Spanish is the main foreign language, but Eastern European and Southeast Asian languages are very prominent and noticeable.
All that being said, with the ICE situation in Chicago this past Fall/Winter, the amount of people fishing fell significantly. Along with that, the amount of citations for fishing without a license, over-harvest, and littering fell by over 50%...
It's not hard to acknowledge the variable that changed here. And I'm not sure how to feel about this. I don't hide the fact that I'm VERY defensive about our fisheries. And the amount of poaching I've seen with my own eyes at this location is by far the most I've seen in person. It truly does seem like I need to come to grips with the data here and call a Spade a Spade... It's a certain demographic of people in this instance that are doing the damage to our fishery here. And I feel dirty for having to acknowledge it =(
Of course, MAGA has always been against foreigners fishing (and it's actually comical watching MAGA fight the Eastern Euros on social media over this since the Euros get PISSED that they are viewed on the same level as Latin-X and Asians). And MAGA don't hide it. But at the same time, this particular set of data doesn't leave me much of an argument. And I feel dirty as fuck about it
Had a conversation earlier in the week with an Illinois Conservation Police Officer (who surprisingly ISN'T MAGA, but also not much beyond purple). Known him for years through the hobby and this particular officer being the "PR" face, as he mans the booth at many off-season sports shows and many other events throughout the year. He shared some numbers for tickets/citations and just the general "vibe" of enforcement operations over the late Fall and Winter. And much of what he said seems to track with the perceived stereotype that (at some particular locations) that foreigners are truly the ones being the pigs, with things like fishing without a license, over harvest/poaching, and littering.
For some context, this is based around the Yellow Perch fishing that is done at "Steelworker's Park". It's an old, decommissioned industrial slip on the far south side of Chicago. The slip hasn't been used in any capacity for 30+ years now. About 15 years ago, the City of Chicago acquired the land on the shores of Lake Michigan South of the slip along with about 50 yards of "shoreline" on the South side of the actual slip. The remainder of the slip (Entire North side and about 85% of the South Side) is still privately owned and has been passed off in a couple of property deals over the years. The most recent acquisition is for the land to become a data center, but since it's nowhere near "shovels in the ground" development, people will just go around the crumbling fences that line the private land and fish the entire slip. Every Winter, starting around Thanksgiving, Yellow Perch take up residence in the slip for the Winter, along with larger Lake Trout that follow the Perch to feed on them. They will then hang around until Spring finally breaks in Late February/Early March.
With both being high sought "food" fish, the slip is by far the most attended single fishing spot in IL. On a nice weather weekend day, you could have 400-500 people fishing along the walls of the slip. And yet, with the numbers being what they are, only about 1/2 of the people fishing have English as their main language. Spanish is the main foreign language, but Eastern European and Southeast Asian languages are very prominent and noticeable.
All that being said, with the ICE situation in Chicago this past Fall/Winter, the amount of people fishing fell significantly. Along with that, the amount of citations for fishing without a license, over-harvest, and littering fell by over 50%...
It's not hard to acknowledge the variable that changed here. And I'm not sure how to feel about this. I don't hide the fact that I'm VERY defensive about our fisheries. And the amount of poaching I've seen with my own eyes at this location is by far the most I've seen in person. It truly does seem like I need to come to grips with the data here and call a Spade a Spade... It's a certain demographic of people in this instance that are doing the damage to our fishery here. And I feel dirty for having to acknowledge it =(
Of course, MAGA has always been against foreigners fishing (and it's actually comical watching MAGA fight the Eastern Euros on social media over this since the Euros get PISSED that they are viewed on the same level as Latin-X and Asians). And MAGA don't hide it. But at the same time, this particular set of data doesn't leave me much of an argument. And I feel dirty as fuck about it
FadeToBlack&Gold
Microlot Marxist
I'm not surprised. Having a DNR and conservation programs simply isn't a thing in the developing world, where it's every person for themselves. Many of them grew up dirt poor (and are still poor), so fishing was one way how their families avoided starvation. We can argue all day about "yeah, but this is America and they need to follow our laws". A lot of them probably don't have ID to begin with, because they're here illegally. "OK, then deport them! Problem solved!" The deportation process probably costs the taxpayer more money than just looking the other way while they take 10 perch over the limit. 
Jimjamesak
Already insane, UAA making it worse
Yeah, we have similar issues in Alaska with salmon fishing. Though, ironically, Alaska is far stricter with enforcement.