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The end of leagues as we know?

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dggoddard said:
Doubtful.

Per Schlossman...
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You can't say your proof that Schlossman isn't full of it is that Schlossman has this to add... If we think he's just being a spinster, of COURSE he's gonna say "Oh no, no... its way behind just mild rumblings."

TigerFan86-87 said:
First of all, I was not bragging about RIT's attendance relative to anyone. You missed my point completely. As opposed to a city like Bemidji or Mankato where the college hockey teams are most likely THE sports attraction in town for folks to spend their disposable income and Friday/Saturday evenings on, RIT hockey is not THE attraction by any means to the Rochester metro area. RIT's attendance really isn't being drawn from the Rochester metro area, but more primarily from the RIT community in Rochester. Yes, there are some people outside the RIT community that come regularly, but the overwhelming percentage of fans are from the students, staff, and alumni. So to say RIT only draws 0.35% (actually closer to 0.25%) of it's area's population is a mis-characterization of the situation. I honestly don't care if RIT or any other team is drawing .5% or 100% of their cities' populations. I just hope all college hockey teams can sell out every game and keep this great sport as strong and vital as ever.

When it comes to how much there is to do in various sized cities, my comments were not based on a perception, but on simple facts. Due simply to size, New York has more to do than Rochester, which has more to do than Bemidji. At least from me, that is meant in no way to be a slight to anyone. We constantly hear from twenty-somethings here about how "Rochester sucks. There's nothing to do here. I'm moving to New York (or Boston, or Philly, or DC, or Baltimore, etc.)". Of course there is more nightlife in big cities than in mid-sized cities... There are millions more people. It's just math. If one likes living in a big city, mid-size city, small city, or rural areas, that's their choice. Anyone can find things to do to entertain themselves if they look hard enough regardless of where they live.
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Most of the RIT fans in the stands are either current or former students or staff? No way. So are most everyone besides the big dogs (Minn, Wisc, Mich, BC, BU). If I see someone wearing an SCSU jersey, I don't ask them IF they went to SCSU, I ask them WHEN they did. I think you'd be surprised at how low the percentage of SCSU, tUMD, BSU and MSU-M fans are in the stands that have no affiliation to the school other than geography.

SJHovey said:
Wow, some of you are really wound too tight about this whole issue. Of course it has nothing to do with the "Minnesota Rule." I was kidding.
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Why kid, I love the idea! You guys are a green infestation... might as well allow the rest of us a chance to get to the X safely first. :D In all honesty, why wouldn't we agree to letting the biggest fan base left have the night games? It'd also give those who work up in that area the option to put in a half day at work and then travel down for just the night game... not that most of you guys aren't in a hotel room drinking by Tuesday night.
 
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SJHovey, while I agree with most of your post I think you're missing one point. Just the fear over being left out of the next round of conference reorganization is, in my mind, likely to spur conference reorganization on its own. While it might be best for everyone involved to keep the remaining WCHA and CCHA leagues mostly intact, any hint of teams like UND leaving will cause other teams to try to jump in to find a way to save their program. While teams like UND, DU, Miami (and I'll add CC) might find themselves struggling in a new conference that is primarily made up of other current heavy hitters in the college hockey world, the fear of NOT being in said imagined major conference will probably be percieved as even worse. This feels like a movie standoff with everyone aiming a gun at everyone else. If everyone could be convinved to drop their weapons at the same time everyone would be better off, but that's not usually how this scene usually ends.

I definitely agree that the BTHC won't end up dominating college hockey. In addition to someone in the league needing to finish last (and 5th, etc.), it's not like there is a lot more room on any of their rosters for more first and second round NHL draft picks. The game is only played with 5 skaters per team and one puck at a time. Most of those rosters right now have plenty of the top recruits, and it's somewhat balanced out by the fact that the best of them leave after a year or two. There will still be plenty of late bloomers, smaller players, and 4-year players to continue to stock teams like CC who rarely nab the 1st and 2nd round draft picks but find great college hockey talent anyway.
 
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broncos24 said:
UNO and WMU are schools, that in these tough fiscal times, have pumped serious money into their hockey programs.

WMU now has the Coach of the Year (by most publications) locked up for another 5 years and is bringing in talent that hasn't been here in decades.

Also, whether our fans like it or not, there is a very good possibility WMU will be playing in a new downtown arena in the next 4 to 5 years.

An up-and-coming coach is revitalitizing an up-and-coming program.
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It's a fine program. Find and dandy. It is however a specious inclusion that some rumor monger just threw in the mix.
 
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Just to make it official, from the 7/5/11 NCAA News

In that vein, the cabinet accepted its first post-moratorium application request from the University of Nebraska Omaha, which is seeking to reclassify its athletics program from Division II. Nebraska Omaha will now begin a four-year reclassification process.
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dggoddard said:
Notre Dame in 2011 is a different animal that the '60s squads that were doormats in the WCHA.

  • New $50 million arena w/ 5,000 seats

  • Notre Dame hockey is a strong road draw

  • National Championship level coach

  • ND AD confirms Cable TV/Internet Network on the way
  • Notre Dame football is no longer the beast that it once was and NBC revenue is no longer top-tier either
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To your last point, NBC revenue is still at least in the ballpark of top tier, and it will be interesting to see where the ND football contract goes if Kelly should turn out to be the real deal as the head coach. I tend to doubt that it bears significantly on what ND hockey will elect to do; your other four points are far more important in that regard.
 
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Via Kevin Pates of Duluth News Tribune

Minnesota Duluth: A Super League Invitee

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*Apologies if this has already been posted.
 
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MissSioux85 said:
Via Kevin Pates of Duluth News Tribune

Minnesota Duluth: A Super League Invitee

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*Apologies if this has already been posted.
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When I read this, as a UMD fan it made me feel relieved. I was worried UMD would be reactive and not proactive. As a college hockey fan I fear the changes this would bring for rivals and schools we do not play often (CCHA)
 
Biddco said:
When I read this, as a UMD fan it made me feel relieved. I was worried UMD would be reactive and not proactive. As a college hockey fan I fear the changes this would bring for rivals and schools we do not play often (CCHA)
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It isn't being proactive.
The whole speculation on the league is reactive for all teams involved...it's reacting to the BTHC.
SCSU dies within a decade if this happens.
 
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First Time said:
It isn't being proactive.
The whole speculation on the league is reactive for all teams involved...it's reacting to the BTHC.
SCSU dies within a decade if this happens.
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Balls...please don't say that. I have nothing else going for me. :p
 
Biddco said:
Which is what we don't want to see. (Surprising I know)
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It'll be sad but it will happen.
SCSU basically sells out 2 series now as it is, UND and UMN.
IF they end up in a league consisting of MSUM, MTU, UAA, NMU, FSU, LSSU, BSU, UAH & UAF, they won't see conference sell outs again and I would doubt UND, UMD, or. UMN would make regular appearences at the NHC.
 
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First Time said:
It'll be sad but it will happen.
SCSU basically sells out 2 series now as it is, UND and UMN.
IF they end up in a league consisting of MSUM, MTU, UAA, NMU, FSU, LSSU & UAF, they won't see conference sell outs again and I would doubt UND, UMD, or. UMN would make regular appearances at the NHC.
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That's a case where we give those schools the finger and not go there. They need to fill out their schedule? That's not our problem. Like the whole thing about Red Berenson refusing to bring Michigan to the Hockey Center. Well we won't play you out there either, so suck on that.
 
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Thank you to fellow WCHA members for remembering one of teams that help found the league and bring three national championships to the WCHA. Looks like we'll be taking our cup and heading home.
 
Dude Love said:
That's a case where we give those schools the finger and not go there. They need to fill out their schedule? That's not our problem. Like the whole thing about Red Berenson refusing to bring Michigan to the Hockey Center. Well we won't play you out there either, so suck on that.
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So our non-con opponents would be...?
We barely get decent Eastern teams to come now, and the stands were not full when Miami came last year.
At some point it will become about money and SCSU will need it.
 
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I hear Obama is going to turn the economy around, and all problems will be solved.
 
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First Time said:
So our non-con opponents would be...?
We barely get decent Eastern teams to come now, and the stands were not full when Miami came last year.
At some point it will become about money and SCSU will need it.
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It's give and take. Who would be THEIR non-conference opponents if us, Mankato, Ferris, etc. all do the same thing?
 
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