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The end of leagues as we know?

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How is this NOT reactive? UND's just like everyone else...a bunch of wieners with an inferiority complex. What? The Gophers did something? What can we do to be as big of a toolbox as they are???

Why are you not calling out the other teams in the WCHA that would be joining the "super conference" as well?
 
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Because it's ALWAYS UND's fault. :)

But seriously...it's in YOUR paper. Show me some evidence that it WASN'T UND's doing.

So, if Mike Chambers at the Denver Post had written the story would everyone be hating on Denver, or is this just another anti-UND thing?
 
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The Big Ten historically groups together when 6 schools play a common sport. IMO, people have to blame the conference as a whole and not each individual school. If any schools wants to remain in the Big Ten conference they have to follow the Big Ten bylaws. If it were not for the BTN we probably wouldn't have this major change. This is all about tv revenue which no current or future conference will be able to match.

Dg said this potential conference is all about recruiting? Probably but they still don't have a nation wide television package the Big Ten has. Most kids who are 17 years old want to play on national tv in front of all the NHL scouts, parents and fans in North America. That example right there gives the Big Ten a huge edge. Like Puck Swami said the best players will want to play in the BTHC.
 
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Double ******;
I see you finally came out from under you rock to grace us with your big words, I think the phrase "Delusion of Grandeur" probably describes you.
Pardon my vocabulary. The interesting thing about acquiring such a thing is that full use of it becomes part of one's nature.

By the way Last time I checked 22>39!!!

So I make you look like a boob for using a logical fallacy and your comeback is to use the exact same logical fallacy? Oh dear sweet irony ... what did I do to deserve such a beautiful and special moment?
 
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Dg said this potential conference is all about recruiting? Probably but they still don't have a nation wide television package the Big Ten has.

Hint-o-rama: It doesn't exist. In all likelihood it won't ever exist and should that prove wrong it most certainly won't look like it's being talked about here.

DG and Puck Swami are both sitting back, rubbing their hands together with delight and saying to themselves ... look what we've created. Amazing how a lawyer and a marketing/public relations grad can get some many people all atwitter by creating a rumor.
 
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Non-profits [universities, hospitals] hire brand consultants at a proportionally higher rate than for-profit business. When it comes to education and medicine people want the best.

No, the majority of market entry consultants in the US work primarily with private companies and corporations.

What we do know is that Notre Dame has said they will not remain in the CCHA

Well, let's be accurate, Notre Dame has not made a decision to leave the CCHA yet...according to ND AD Jack Swarbrick, it is still in the evaluation phase and no decision has been made. Jeff Jackson was quoted recently as saying, "it's a possibility".

Conference reaffiliation for Notre Dame’s hockey program is still an evaluation process, though Swarbrick said there are some who want the re-affiliation process to move at a quicker pace.

The schools involved in the breakaway conference have been conducting "due diligence" for the past six months.

They may be conducting evaluations independently, but if you read my post again I stated, "corporate" meaning a "super conference marketing committee". There is obviously no organizational conference structure yet to produce a market feasibility plan for such an endeavor, which is why your impetuous need to validate it as imminent is entirely inaccurate and premature (perhaps even with a little personal bias too).

As I've said before, its not revenue that's driving this deal, its recruiting. DU, UND, BC, Miami and the others want to recruit potential first round draft picks. They believe that they will be at a disadvantage recruiting against the Big 10 schools, unless they form a strong conference.

And again recruiting!? I didn't realize you were that naive. Are you living under a rock? The number one concern among colleges and universities across the nation today is whether escalating costs will cause some of their athletic programs to be financially unsustainable.

Nationwide between 2005 and 2008, athletics spending per athlete increased by 38 percent, while academic spending per student increased by less than 21 percent. In 2008, FBS schools spent on average $84,446 per athlete compared with $13,349 per student. Even more staggering, based upon current trajectories of the top 10 athletics spenders, their average budgets will swell from $98 million in 2009 to $254 million in 2020.

BTN’s rapid financial and geographical growth since it's inception is not just the dawning and apex of an unprecedented quantum leap in the professionalization and commercialization of NCAA college sports in general. It's a media network model that's essentially designed to facilitate a hi-tech “land grab” which 1) can effectively generate a new conference revenue gravy train, and 2) strategically expand the conference footprint beyond regional boundaries.

Its financial success demonstrates that the development of a proprietary media network as a substantial revenue stream and leveraging mechanism against corporate sports media moguls is not just a contingency plan, it’s the "in vogue" option to reaping a substantial ROI.

That's one of the reasons why the Pac-12 Network recently got a deal worth $250 million annually to distribute their athletic content over multiple networks (ESPN/ABC and FOX), and thus quadrupling their previous deal. Others will follow to see how they can get their slice of the pie, like UND:

The reason for the move would be for UND to align itself with schools that have similar philosophies about their hockey programs and are willing to invest in them and create new media opportunities.

And Notre Dame:

In addition to considering the impact on the nation’s Division I programs, Swarbrick brought up three points of consideration when evaluating a conference move: Maximizing television exposure, finding a cultural fit for the program and for the school and mechanical issues such as travel and scheduling.

There will be a Notre Dame Network, but people sort of envision that in traditional terms of something dramatic and new. You’ll sort of grow into it as you produce more and more digital programming and distribute it more broadly, and we’re committed to that.

Notre Dame's launch of their own proprietary network will allow them to terminate their current media partnership with NBC in 2015 and accrue all subsequent network revenue. If Notre Dame does realign, it will most likely be with HE which would also expand their network subscriber database:

...Notre Dame should be expansion target numbers 1, 2 and 3 for Bertagna. It's a slam dunk for the conference to bring the Irish east, as the similarities between Notre Dame and the 10 Hockey East members are numerous. It would also strengthen the conference and help Bertagna negotiate a better TV package for the next cycle.
 
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You are arguing at a wall man. dg is not going to listen to you. He has been trumpeting this same stuff since the BTHC came into fruition and now that he has "confirmation" from the all knowing Brad Schlossman he is running wild with this.

He is like those people that everyday were trying to figure out what conference Texas was going to end up in...every quote and every saying backed up their newest theory. Even though Notre Dame has only said they are "evaluating" leaving the CCHA that equals them "Not going back to the CCHA" in his mind because that is what he wants to believe. It is a self reinforcing delusion.

There are plenty of holes in the plan, but the more you point them out Harley the more dg is going to just ignore it and fight back.
 
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What's funny to me is that we all talk about the new national exposure. I wonder if that will truly be the case. Do you think that the BTN will show college hockey over hoops and football? Not to mention, does anyone really think even if more games are on the BTN that more people will watch?
 
What's funny to me is that we all talk about the new national exposure. I wonder if that will truly be the case. Do you think that the BTN will show college hockey over hoops and football? Not to mention, does anyone really think even if more games are on the BTN that more people will watch?

Nothing better to watch on monday and wednesday nights if monday night football isn't back
 
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You are arguing at a wall man. dg is not going to listen to you. He has been trumpeting this same stuff since the BTHC came into fruition and now that he has "confirmation" from the all knowing Brad Schlossman he is running wild with this.
Actually I've been trumpeting all this since Bemidji State was admitted to the WCHA. Schlossman gets his intel from UND, that's good enough for me.
 
Re: The end of leagues as we know?

What's funny to me is that we all talk about the new national exposure. I wonder if that will truly be the case. Do you think that the BTN will show college hockey over hoops and football? Not to mention, does anyone really think even if more games are on the BTN that more people will watch?

I believe that BTN is targeting Fri nights which are typically open. What happens on a Sat. depends on who's playing that night, more then likely you'll see basketball before hockey.
 
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The fireworks started early this year!


dg-goon-uaafanblog trading barbs--AHH, the good old days;)
less than 90 days before the season begins:D

Happy
4th of July​
 
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You are arguing at a wall man. dg is not going to listen to you. He has been trumpeting this same stuff since the BTHC came into fruition and now that he has "confirmation" from the all knowing Brad Schlossman he is running wild with this...

Before you insult Brad Schlossman he is one of the best beat writers in the WCHA and I have yet to see him miss the boat on a story.
 
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Schlossman gets his intel from UND, that's good enough for me.

Have you discussed it with Schlossman? I did. Sounded to me that he knew Notre Dame was more like headed to Hockey East. In addition, he felt a new league MIGHT happen w/o Notre Dame. Mentioned to me: UNO, CC, UND, Miami, Western Mich, and possibly an eastern team or BGSU. Is that better than the WCHA? Yikes. Not even close. Ironically enough, he said he didn't know if DU was even a part of it. Still like him as much now?

If there is a change, I think some of the people imagining all these wonderful scenarios for their program are going to end up disappointed when it doesn't end up quite the way they envision.
 
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